RE: rattle the cage a bit -- DOMINO400

Hey Bob, 

I agree the WinTEL platform  has become  good for hosting domino over the 
years, but it has taken a very long time to get there.
We run Domino on all platforms except 390 and I can tell you the iSeries 
implementation is the most scalable for large organization like mine.
WinTel has made strides in scalability with faster CPUs, more memory and 
Hypethreading etc, but still does not come even close. Only over the last 
two and a half years has WinTel made any real strides in scalability, 
mostly do to the work of Intel, memory and motherboard manufacturers.
32 Bit is still 32 bit and will always be 32 bit. 

It is all a matter of what you are using Domino for such as mail, 
applications, web serving and enterprise scale applications. We tend to 
scale everything up.

Domino can go small on WinTel or Linux and large on Solaris, iSeries or 
Mainframe. 

We run  WinTel where it fits (sametime, LEI, small app servers and our 
archive servers)  and iSeries for anything that needs multiple processors 
and more than few GB of memory. We have lots of applications that do.  We 
just deployed a new Web app that is a mix of Domino, Java and DB2 
technologies. We could have deployed it on WinTel easily but it will be 
used by over 10,000 people. To even attempt that level of scalability we 
built it with the  iSeries in mind since I knew we would not need a farm 
of WinTel servers to host it. I can easily move it to WinTel but I have no 
desire to run that many additional servers, it probably would have 
required an upgrade to our datacenter! 

Perhaps 64 bit Windows will make a difference in WinTel scalability. 
Anyone remember Microsoft's promise for 64bit Windows 2000 6 years ago? 
Where did that go?

Is anyone running 64 Bit Windows 2003? 

The latest I heard Longhorn is still nearly 3 years away for a general 
release. 

I wonder how many new Computer viruses will be written for Windows in the 
next few years?  I have yet to see one for OS400 or Solaris.

As you can see there are underlying advantages to iSeries. 

By all means put Windows where it fits, but don't discount the iSeries do 
to difficulty mastering the platform.
I used the feel the same way with Microsoft products. Have you every tried 
to configure the original implementation of Windows 3.0? Nt4 was never a 
picnic either.


Cheers, 


Sean 



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date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:33:25 -0400
from: Robert E Terry <rterry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Sametime

Just catching up on e-mail and thought I would
through my 2 cents in... 

I run Domino on a 400 and a windows box.  I built a 
second domino on the Windows box (I guess my config
is unsupported) that is independent of my mail server
and dropped Sametime on it. My Domino/Sametime 
server is in the same Domino Domain. We don't use LDAP.
I would like to, but we are a small shop and have never 
taken the time to learn how to set it up. 

Anyway, Sametime works OK.  Most users do not use it.
I use it the most for support via the sametime meetings.
That is truly the god send the application has been for 
me.  As I expose Sametime to the Internet, it is just so frigen
great to be able to call a vendor and have them come in 
and see my screen and help me resolve problems.  For
the IM part, there were only a couple of people (that I am 
aware of) the got pissed when I started blocking AOL IM some
time ago. They now use ST and like it fine. We just don't
have the whole IM culture.

I now will rattle the cage a bit.  Domino on the 400 has been 
problematic at best. I would not recommend putting Domino
on the platform. Sametime, no frigen way.   That said, I am 
not a window$ bigot or even someone who likes NT.  But my
experience says that Win2K server is an awesome platform for
running Domino. Rock solid

As I am now in the process of replacing WinNT 4  with IBM iSeries
running Linux, and plan on moving Domino there.

Bob Terry






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We went the option 2 route and has worked well so far in a small 
environment.

We use the IM part of Sametime extensively, the Meeting part infrequently 
although when we have used the remote screen capture capability it has 
saved us much time/effort in remote troubleshooting.

Gotchas ???   Make sure LDAP is running OK before setting up Sametime.  If 


accessing remotely, numerous firewall ports that need to be opened.

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We are exploring the use of Sametime and have a few questions. We 
currently
have a Domino server, version 6.5.2 on an I-Series. Which of the three
methods did you use to implement:

? Set up a new Domino server in a new Domino domain (*FIRST), and add
Sametime to that server.
? Add an additional Domino server to an existing Domino domain (*ADD), and
add Sametime to that server.
? Add Sametime to an existing production Domino server.

>From reading the Sametime install guide, option 3 is not a good choice.
Option 2 sounds like what we would explore.  Keeping maintenance to a
minimum is a big factor in our choice.

Any advice for getting Sametime up & running? Any "gotchas" on installing
the product?  Do your users like Samtime or is it not used very often?

Thanks in advance.

Steve Jones

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