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Dieters points are pretty valid although I did forget one point in our scenario - No WAS/JAVA specific PTF's have needed to be applied in our environment for WAS in the two years that we have been doing this. Which I have to admit to being surprised to - we are moderately aggressive with our PTF's here but not on the leading edge - CUMS are done about two or three times a year, Group PTF's done at the time of Cums or new releases, new releases are usually done at least 6 months after GA (for example we just upgraded to V5R2). Michael Crump Saint-Gobain Containers 1509 S. Macedonia Ave. Muncie, IN 47302 (765)741-7696 (765)741-7012 f (800)428-8642 "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke
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