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David, An MSDN subscription is $499 per year (in the US) for the professional level. This gives you all versions of workstation OS's (Win 3.x, Win95 and WinNT/Workstation) and all the SDK's & DDK's. All of the foreign languages are included also. In addition, you get the entire MS Knowledge Base, all the manuals for pretty much all of their products, plus a bunch of other books that "might be interesting to a developer". All told, about 50 CD's. And it is updated Quarterly at a minumum. There tend to be many interim releases of things shuch as Windows/98, NT v5, and other stuff. Anybody who does ANY development in the Windows world needs this. It is invaluable. The "Universal" subscription level of MSDN is $2,000 per year. It has all of the above plus all of the server stuff. This includes NT Server (v3.51, v4.0 & v5.0), MS SQL Server, Transaction Server, Small Buisness Server, etc. In addition, you also get ALL of the development tools. Such as VC++, VJ++, VB, FoxPro, etc. This alone is worth close to $2,000. Regardless of your opinion of Windows, if you must work with it, MSDN is a must have. For more (and accurate) information, go to www.microsoft.com/msdn Regards, Bob Crothers Cornerstone Communications -----Original Message----- From: David Morris [SMTP:dmorris@plumcreek.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 11:02 AM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: RE: CODE/400 Walden, You are right. The prices for VB are more like $400 for professional, $1100 for enterprise, but most people would buy the developers studio for about $850. To ensure your code works on multiple releases you would also want a subscription of MSDN. About $1000 per year for the base, or a few thousand more for the full version. I agree with you about a cheap version. One copy should come with the operating system. I would bet that would pique interest in the product. The biggest expense we had was the new Ethernet adapter that was required because our network does not support source based routing. The adapter wasn't that bad but it took us roughly 100 hours to figure out what was wrong. With the TCPIP version this is not a concern. David Morris >>> "Walden Leverich" <walden@techsoftinc.com> 03/04 5:43 AM >>> I must take exception with your pricing on VB. While a learning edition of VB may cost <$100 if you intend to do any serious enterprise development (and you must be, otherwise you're not in an apples-to-apples comparison with Code/400) then you need at least a professional copy, if not enterprise. And if you buy the professional copy, you are missing the Change control interfaces and the ADO support. Pricing on professional (from memory) is ~$300 and ~1000 for Enterprise. Now the Code/400 prices seem more reasonable, no? Don't get me wrong, I still think a "cheap" version of Code/400 is needed, the cheap version gets you in the door, once productivity gains are seen "in our shop, with our programmers, doing our work" management is much more willing to spend large amounts of money. -Walden > -----Original Message----- > From: mcsnet!midrange.com!midrange-l-owner@Mcs.Net > [mailto:mcsnet!midrange.com!midrange-l-owner@Mcs.Net]On Behalf Of Chris > Rehm > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 9:11 AM > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > Subject: Re: CODE/400 > <snip> > > If a company wants VisualBasic, or VisualAge for Basic, or VisualAge for > Java, then those suites are in the <$100 range. Code/400 not only provides > extensive tools, but also addresses a smaller market segment. Look at the > list of components in Code/400, compare it to other items on the market. > Take into consideration the Code/400 market. I don't see how Code/400 could > be a profitable item for IBM as it stands, with the small amount of market > adoption for the product, yet it see regular updates and is a top notch > product. <snip> ! ! +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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