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Hello Jim, When I first started subscribing to this list it was frequented by people who actually knew things and so the questions were of a much higher calibre. At the time I was writing code for IBM and the list was one way of seeing what was happening in the real world. It was an opportunity to learn different techniques, approaches, and see how the machine was actually being used. What we have now is a list primarily frequented by people who don't know things and can't even be bothered checking the available sources of information. Every AS/400 site has manuals, either printed or on softcopy, and almost every question asked here recently can be answered by an intelligent search of the manuals. However, it seems easier for most people to simply fire off a request to the list. I think it reasonable to expect that a system operator has read at least: Getting your AS/400 Working For You (SC41-5161) AS/400 Basic System Operation, Administration, and Problem Handling (SC41-5206) AS/400 System Operation for New Users (SC41-3200) AS/400 System Operation (SC41-4203) OS/400 Backup and Recovery (SC41-5304) Security - Basic (SC41-5301) OS/400 CL Programming (SC41-5721) The manuals for their site's chosen operations support tools e.g., job scheduler pager client connectivity and that they are sufficiently interested in their career to be working through the administrator's books. A system administrator has read at least: All the above plus, Security - Reference (SC41-5302) OS/400 Work Management (SC41-5306) AS/400 Physical Planning Reference (SA41-5109) AS/400 Software Installation (SC41-5120) AS/400 Local Device Configuration (SC41-5121) TCP/IP Fastpath Setup (SC41-5430) OS/400 TCP/IP Configuration and Reference (SC41-5420) OS/400 Workstation Customisation Programming (SC41-3605) some familiarity with the performance tools manuals. A programmer has read at least: AS/400 Basic System Operation, Administration, and Problem Handling (SC41-5206) Security - Basic (SC41-5301) Security - Reference (SC41-5302) OS/400 Work Management (SC41-5306) Screen Design Aid (SC09-2604) Source Entry Utility (SC09-2605) Report Layout Uitility (SC09-2635) Programming Development Manager (SC09-1771) File Compare and Merge Utility (SC41-1772) OS/400 CL Programming (SC41-5721) CL Reference (SC41-5722) OS/400 DDS Reference (SC41-????) Distributed Data Management (SC41-5307) DB2 for AS/400 Database Programming (SC41-5701) OS/400 Distributed Database Programming (SC41-5702) Data Management (SC41-5710) DB2 for AS/400 SQL Programming (SC41-5611) even if they don't currently use SQL DB2 for AS/400 SQL Reference (SC41-5612) if they do use SQL OS/400 Integrated File System Introduction (SC41-5711) AS/400 ILE Concepts (SC415606) even if they don't currently use ILE ILE Application Development Example (SC41-5602) even if they don't currently use ILE Rexx/400 Programmer's Guide (SC41-5728) even if they don't currently use Rexx AS/400 Rexx/400 Reference (SC41-5729) if they do use Rexx Application Display Programming (SC41-5715) System API Programming (SC41-5800) System API Reference (SC41-5801) and read the tables of contents for each of the API sub-volumes and of course the Programmer's Guide and Reference for their primary programming language, the dubbug manuals, and the manuals for their site's chosen programming development environment. They should have glanced at: OS/400 Workstation Customisation Programming (SC41-3605) ICF Programming (SC41-5442) OS/400 Printer Device Programming (SC41-5713) OS/400 Tape and Diskette Device Programming (SC41-5716) OS/400 API Appendices (SC41-5881) They should also keep an eye on the future and be reading manuals that may expose them to different techniques and approaches: Developing Multithreaded Applications (SC41-5436) Getting Started with VRPG CODE/400 Self-Study Guide Data Warehousing Concepts for AS/400 They should also be familiar with the tles of other manuals in the various collections related to their jobs, they should have read any manuals related to specific products installed at their site. I also expect them to look for what has changed in those manuals on every new release. If they did that we would have a much higher and more professional class of IT worker in the AS/400 area. We would also get fewer basic questions and the general tenor of the list would be raised because people would know where to look and we'd only see the really hard questions and we could all learn from those instead of the endless repetition of trivial questions. I believe it was Albert Einstein who said "I don't know everything, I just know where the index is" or something to that effect. There are about a dozen or so people on this list whose answers are worth the electrons they consume. The rest should spend some time educating themselves. IT personnel are supposed to be professionals and educating yourself is simply part of your job. I just know I'm going to regret sending this. Here come the posts on "But my company won't fund this", or "I don't have time", or "My manager doesn't support this", or, or, or, ..... 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If so, why even bother reading these messages? > > Regards > > Jim Langston +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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