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Nina, Responses in line. At 06:27 PM 6/3/00, you wrote: >the lack of cheap and available manuals! you can't go to hastings and >buy as/400 for dummies. I have been downloading the manuals and Redbooks in PDF format for several years now. I just print them on a duplex printer on 3 hole paper and put them in a binder. This works for me and is a lot cheaper than buying the hard copy manuals from IBM. >and i haven't heard much good to say about ibm's on line manuals. (i >miss the old hard copy manuals. those that i could pour over, make >notes in, etc.) I'm not too sure I like them either from what I have seen so far. We now seem to have bits and pieces all over the place. When you try to print the PDF manual for the APIs, you keep seeing whole sections that are missing, they just refer you to the info center. I have printed a section of the info center API manual, but it just doesn't fit in with the rest of the manual. Different page numbering and not included in the index or table of contents. >which leads me to the next one, the cost of keeping current. you can go >to the vo-tech and take microsoft type computer classes, but as/400 >classes like this are now scarce. the self study courses that are >available are expensive, especially compared to things like 'learn vb in >21 days' What works for me is to try out the new stuff on my own time using the PDF manuals, Redbooks like the "Who Knew You Could Do That with RPG IV" and the News/400 and Midrange magazines. Just pick some project that is fun for you or maybe could help you out at work. There have also been several night classes offered at the local university - Object Oriented analysis and design, C++ and Java. Common is a good deal too. This is what all that "spare" time you have in the evenings and weekends is for, right? :) >when you are wearing your contractor's hat, you go by the rules that the >shop you're working for follows. you can discuss new techniques with >them, but if they tell you don't use them, well, they are the ones >writing the check, and that have to maintain the code after you're gone. I hear you on this one. I guess I have been lucky so far. When I have asked my clients if I could write something in ILE/RPG, they don't seem to mind. What I try to do with the newer stuff is keep the code as simple and self documenting as possible to start with and show them how easy it is. Of course, there is still a bunch of the packaged vendor code that you can't do much about. One of the things that really bugs me is that some of the clients don't even have manuals, or if they do, they are old RPG II or RPG III type manuals. How anyone can effectively run an IS department without any current manuals is beyond me. What I have done is load the complete Book Manager CD on my laptop with bookshelves for most frequently used books. If I want to see some detail about an op code, just bring up the ILE/RPG manual and search. The search usually brings up exactly what I am looking for. The Book Manager manuals are terrible to read through, but seem to work for looking up something you sort of know about. I will have to start trying something new for this now that they are moving all the manuals to the Info Center. I have not been too impressed with the Info center so far. Dave Murvin DRM Enterprises, Inc. davem@drme.com +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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