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Thanks for your input Richard but what type of excitement, good or bad? and what will cause the excitement? Dare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Jackson" <richardjackson@richardjackson.net> To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:07 PM Subject: RE: OS400 DATA MIGRATION > I did my part. I gave input, I made suggestions, I expressed concerns. > > I hope that it works out but I think that you are going to have some > excitement both over the weekend and when the system comes back up. Good > luck! > > Richard Jackson > mailto:richardjackson@richardjackson.net > http://www.richardjacksonltd.com > Voice: 1 (303) 808-8058 > Fax: 1 (303) 663-4325 > > -|-----Original Message----- > -|From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com > -|[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of oludare > -|Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:01 AM > -|To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > -|Subject: Re: OS400 DATA MIGRATION > -| > -| > -|Guys, > -| > -|I'm not an expert with AS/400 hardware but I don't know where > -|50xx came from > -|in my previous posting, see my system storage resources below. I know > -|these: > -| > -|1. The new DASD (7 x 8.58Gig) is a type 6713 and all my > -|current DASD (12 > -|x 4.xGig) is type 6607 > -|2. My current Storage controller for all 10 DASD is 6512 type. > -|3. My current Storage controller for the 2 bottom DASD is 9162 type > -|(Combined IOP). > -|4. IBM CE plan is to create another RAID for the new DASD (7 x 8.58Gig) > -|then perform Data Migration. > -|5. The 2 drives will then be move to the bottom internal mirrored set. > -| > -|Dare > -| > -| > -| Storage Resources > -|List > -| > -|----------Locatio > -|n---------- > -| Serial Part Frame > -|Card Device > -| Resource Type-Model Number Number ID > -| EIA Pos > -|Pos Text > -| SI01 6513-001 10-7029014 0000017G1325 1 6 > -|Storage Controller > -| DC04 6385-001 00-09700 1 > -|3 Tape Controller > -| TAP01 6385-001 00-09700 1 > -|3 Tape Unit > -| SI02 6512-001 10-7042002 0000099G9473 1 5 > -|Storage Controller > -| DC05 6607-072 00-0F43632 000000000000 1 > -|K1 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD003 6607-072 00-0F43632 86G912500000 1 > -|K1 Disk Unit > -| DC06 6607-072 00-0BB9159 000000000000 1 > -|K2 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD004 6607-072 00-0BB9159 86G912500000 1 > -|K2 Disk Unit > -| DC07 6607-072 00-0F43363 000000000000 1 > -|K3 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD005 6607-072 00-0F43363 86G912500000 1 > -|K3 Disk Unit > -| DC08 6607-070 00-0BB7222 000000000000 1 > -|K4 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD006 6607-070 00-0BB7222 86G912500000 1 > -|K4 Disk Unit > -| DC09 6607-072 00-0F37094 000000000000 1 > -|K9 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD007 6607-072 00-0F37094 86G912500000 1 > -|K9 Disk Unit > -| DC10 6607-072 00-0BC2962 000000000000 1 > -|K10 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD008 6607-072 00-0BC2962 86G912500000 1 > -|K10 Disk Unit > -| DC11 6607-072 00-0BC1727 000000000000 1 > -|K5 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD009 6607-072 00-0BC1727 86G912500000 1 > -|K5 Disk Unit > -| DC13 6607-072 00-0F43768 000000000000 1 > -|K6 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD011 6607-072 00-0F43768 86G912500000 1 > -|K6 Disk Unit > -| DC12 6607-072 00-0BB8603 000000000000 1 > -|K7 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD010 6607-072 00-0BB8603 86G912500000 1 > -|K7 Disk Unit > -| DC14 6607-070 00-0F33908 000000000000 1 > -|K8 Disk Storage Controller > -| DD012 6607-070 00-0F33908 86G912500000 1 > -|K8 Disk Unit > -| SI04 2621-001 10-3120015 0000085F8845 2 2 > -|Storage Controller > -| DC19 9348-001 00-00000 > -|Tape Controller > -| TAP08 9348-001 00-00000 > -|Tape Unit > -| CMB01 9162-001 10-6128020 0000021H9101 1 4 > -|Combined function IOP > -| DC01 6607-030 00-0BB9617 1 > -| 9A > -|Disk Storage Controller > -| DD001 6607-030 00-0BB9617 1 > -| 9A > -|Disk Unit > -| DC02 6607-030 00-0BD2365 1 > -| 9B > -|Disk Storage Controller > -| DD002 6607-030 00-0BD2365 1 > -| 9B > -|Disk Unit > -| DC03 6320-002 00-00000 1 > -|2 Optical Controller > -| OPT01 6320-002 00-00000 0000088G4918 1 > -|2 Optical Storage Unit > -| DC18 6379-001 00-2032466 1 > -|1 Tape Controller > -| TAP07 6379-001 00-2032466 1 > -|1 Tape Unit > -|----- Original Message ----- > -|From: "Larry Bolhuis" <lbolhuis@arbsol.com> > -|To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> > -|Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:56 PM > -|Subject: Re: OS400 DATA MIGRATION > -| > -| > -|> Richard, > -|> > -|> > I was speaking of cheaper in the sense of lost time, risk of lost data > -|if > -|> > the machine dies while running unprotected, risk of lost data > -|if one of > -|the > -|> > backup tapes decides to be unreadable - that kind of cheaper. > -|> > -|> Indeed IF a) A disk fails during the upgrade, and b) BOTH copies of > -|> his backup are bad, then he is in deep deep weeds indeed. > -|> > -|> > In my opinion, people sometimes spend too much time worrying about > -|hardware > -|> > cost. How much would the expansion unit cost and what > -|feature/function > -|> > would he get for it? (that's a real question, not rhetorical) > -|> > -|> As I recall-ball park-prices for a 50xx tower (Quote me NOT on these > -|> numbers!!) $13,000 a 5052 top hat $5500, a 6533 DASD controller $9,900. > -|> May need a #2688(?) to drive the fiber to the expansion cabinet $2,500. > -|> Add to that space, power, heat, and annual maintenance and it gets > -|> pretty expensive for sure. > -|> > -|> Certainly compared to the failure above (if it happens) it's cheap. > -|> > -|> On the other hand if your tape drive writes two unusable copies of a > -|> backup tape consecutively without throwing an error of some kind then > -|> you likely have rust for backup for some time back. While I recognize > -|> that tape errors do exist I have done dozens and dozens of system > -|> migrations with tape and cannot remember a single tape error stopping a > -|> conversion. Conditions are optimal - the tapes never change temp or > -|> humidity. The same drive that wrote them has to read them. The drive is > -|> intentionally cleaned before each save. New or nearly new tapes are > -|> prodently used. It don't get any better'n nat! > -|> > -|> If the risk of missing data is evaluated -vs- the cost of the > -|> expansion I suspect most risk managers will accept it. > -|> > -|> > How much > -|> > will a decent developer cost for the next year? I would guess about > -|> > $100,000 with desk, floor space, phone, PC, wages, overhead, machine > -|cycles > -|> > to support him, parking spot, and so forth. How much will it cost to > -|> > rebuild the world if the backup turns out to be unreadable? How much > -|will > -|> > it cost in hours for the OP to fix if that happens? How much will it > -|cost > -|> > the business in lost opportunity while their people cannot use the > -|system? > -|> > -|> I have been involved with system recovery when a drive failed and > -|> backups were junk. (In this case flat were not done and nobody was told. > -|> THe tape was labeled, logged, and in the vault but was empty!) We had > -|> to restore the OS and major componants from 5 YEAR old tapes! (no errors > -|> but there were more than a few things missing). Their nightly backups > -|> had not been updated for new products or program libraries in the 5 > -|> years I never saw the estimated cost to the business but it was 6 > -|> figures by the end of day 1 for sure. Major function restoral took three > -|> days, complete restoral took over a week. > -|> > -|> This mess had NOTHING to do with tape failure, rather it was > -|> Operational Error. > -|> > -|> Again, my .02. > -|> > -|> - Larry > -|> > -|> -- > -|> Larry Bolhuis > -|> Arbor Solutions, Inc. > -|> (616) 451-2500 > -|> (616) 451-2571 -fax > -|> lbolhuis@arbsol.com > -|> +--- > -|> | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! > -|> | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. > -|> | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. > -|> | To unsubscribe from this list send email to > -|MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > -|> | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: > -|david@midrange.com > -|> +--- > -| > -|+--- > -|| This is the Midrange System Mailing List! > -|| To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. > -|| To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. > -|| To unsubscribe from this list send email to > -|MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > -|| Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: > -|david@midrange.com > -|+--- > > +--- > | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! > | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. > | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com > +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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