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It depends. What does a ptf do? It fixes a problem that customers or
development has uncovered. Or in some cases, add new features. If you do
not hit the same phase of the moon then perhaps you may not experience the
same problem.
Rob Berendt
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05/02/01 09:43 AM
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MIDRANGE-L
>had to apply a particular PTF from it prior to applying the
>entire cum package (Note: READ the instructions).
If I remember correctly, *usually* the prereq PTF(s) before loading the
cume
could be applied *IMMEDIATE. Is that still the case? Even if not, we
could
still *DLYAPY until a scheduled nighttime IPL and do the cume after that.
Even if the group PTF CD can't be loaded until after the cume apply and
IPL,
can't most (all?) group PTFs wait a day? Or are there instances where you
*must* apply a group PTF after a cume PTF?
Dan Bale
IT - AS/400
Handleman Company
248-362-4400 Ext. 4952
D.Bale@Handleman.com
Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
-------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
Do they use the CD during the IPL? Good question. Recently we did an
upgrade and forgive me for failing to remember which CD, but I am thinking
it was a cum, but the instructions said not to unload it until after the
IPL. I don't know why. In the past I've received Cum media which said I
had to apply a particular PTF from it prior to applying the entire cum
package (Note: READ the instructions). Maybe they rigged a routine to do
this for us?
Rob Berendt
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D.BALE@handleman.com
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Remote Management
I'm not sure exactly where you were going with this (I'm still on my first
coff of cuppee <g>), but I was hoping this scenario was possible for our
remote 400's:
1: Load all the cume PTF CDs using local personnel during
normal business hours with AS/400 operations unaffected.
2: Local personnel leave for the day; building is empty.
3: Do a SAVE 21, and maybe a SAVSTG
4: Apply the cume PTF
5: IPL
6: Do another SAVE 21
Well, the save strategy would be possible at one of our branches which
thankfully has a 3590 B11 (10 cartridge autoloader). But are the cume PTF
CDs
ever called upon after the "apply" has started? Are there any other issues
that preclude this ideal scenario? Can the group PTFs all be put on one CD
so
that it can be inserted in the drive after the cume PTF CDs are done being
used; the idea being that after step 5 (or 6?) I can load and apply the
group
PTFs without any local user intervention?
Dan Bale
IT - AS/400
Handleman Company
248-362-4400 Ext. 4952
D.Bale@Handleman.com
Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
-------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
Dan,
We always load, apply and IPL the cum cd. Then we load/apply all group ptf
cd's and then ipl again. YEARS ago we tried the cum, all groups and a few
others and we blew something called a link loader and had to reinstall lic.
Well, actually we sold off that division, including the personnel who
thought it would be okay to not ipl after the cum.
Rob Berendt
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D.BALE@handleman.com
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Remote Management
Well, I don't know how remote *your* "remote" is <g>, but I'm dealing with
5
remote AS/400s, the closest of which is 300+ miles away, two of which are
on
this continent outside of the U.S., and one in England. It is not
realistic
for me *not* to consider remote management. I just have to research this
one
diligently and rely on the experience that the good people on this list
bring
to the table. I think I will have the financial backing to do this right.
Here's what I *think* I need remote management for: restricted state
system
backups (SAVE 21), cume PTF load/apply, other system maintenance functions
requiring restricted state. I do NOT plan on doing release upgrades
remotely;
in my mind that's just too big a risk for failure.
Yes, anything in "multitples" brings a whole 'nuther aspect to remote
management. I'd have to have someone on site whose only responsibility
would
be to change CD's. QUESTION: Can I ask IBM to provide the cume PTF package
on
3590 cartridges? Hopefully, it would all fit on one 10GB cartridge, but
even
if it didn't, I've got a 10-slot magazine in one of my branches.
It's been several years since I've done cume PTF's; can the loading of all
the
CD's be done while the system is still in use? The idea behind that is to
have someone local start loading the CD's so that everything's loaded
before
they leave for the day. After the branch ceases operations for the day, do
the backups, and apply the cume. Is that possible?
Dan Bale
IT - AS/400
Handleman Company
248-362-4400 Ext. 4952
D.Bale@Handleman.com
Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
-------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
Dan
I'm in a similar boat to you, in that I have a number of machines I manage
remotely.
The one thing that has always bought my thoughts on remote management and
Ops Console to a standstill is that the jobs I really want good remote
access for have to be done on site.
Changing tapes, of course, but that kinda goes without saying and I can
monitor that stuff fairly easily.
But loading licensed programs, installing new versions or Cumulative
CD's... ANYTHING that needs access to the CD drive is a royal PITA.
Why can I share my AS/400 CD drive to the Windows network but not to
another AS/400 on the network ?
Without this capability, I always kind of give up on the remote management
thing as in my own mind I just can't quite get enough functionality out of
it to justify setting it up. If I could do this I would get Ops Console up
and running in a flash. Well start the process in a flash at least <g>
Has anyone solved this particular problem or have I just totally missed the
boat on something obvious ?
regards
Evan Harris
>Yes, I thought I've heard Al bash it, too. I found a reference in the
>archives where he is quoted as saying "Ops Console doesn't work well". I
>forgot to note how old that post was. Perhaps Ops Console has matured by
now?
>
>As a company with AS/400s in five very remote locations, three of which
have
>no operations staff (save for someone who changes the backup tapes daily),
we
>need to get to the point where we can have the most possible absolute
control
>of these systems from our HQ location. The best scenario is where I can
have
>system console access as well as system panel access from my desktop.
<SNIP>
>Dan Bale
>IT - AS/400
>Handleman Company
>248-362-4400 Ext. 4952
>D.Bale@Handleman.com
> Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
> (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
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