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Just setting up instances, classpaths, etc. Changing parms requires stopping and restarting, etc. > -----Original Message----- > From: mandy.shaw@Notability.com [mailto:mandy.shaw@Notability.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:23 AM > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > Subject: RE: Websphere: a resource hog? > > > Brad, > I've got an app (admittedly not a complicated one) running > for a customer > Web site where we only have ever run the Admin Console once > ... to set up > the necessary Web Application Server instances. Now, to > restart WAS, we > just stop/start QEJBSBS & it all happens automatically, much > less painful, > both in terms of time and effort. What sort of things are you > having to do > with the Admin Console? > M > > > |--------+------------------------> > | | "Stone, Brad V| > | | (TC)" | > | | <bvstone@taylo| > | | rcorp.com> | > | | | > | | 24/05/01 14:35| > | | Please respond| > | | to MIDRANGE-L | > | | | > |--------+------------------------> > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------| > | > | > | To: "'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'" > <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> | > | cc: (bcc: Mandy Shaw/ESolutions/Notability) > | > | Subject: RE: Websphere: a resource hog? > | > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------| > > > > > > > You're right, it is starting the admin server that takes > time/resources. > Also, the first time you perform any option on the admin > console, it takes > forever. But, subequent executions are ok (not speedy, but not 10 > minutes). > > But herin lies the catch22. What happens if websphere shuts > down. You > need > to use the amin console for some operations. So, when you're > site crashes, > or you need to stop/restart your instances, you use the admin console. > That > can take anywhere from 10 minutes to 30 minutes or more > depending on the > state of things. > > With Classic HTTP server, it always takes seconds. > > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mandy.shaw@Notability.com [mailto:mandy.shaw@Notability.com] > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:41 AM > > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > > Subject: RE: Websphere: a resource hog? > > > > > > My experience is that *starting up* WebSphere uses a lot of > > resources, but > > that thereafter (depending on what it is actually doing of > > course, as Brad > > says) it's better. The other thing that uses lots of > > resources is the Admin > > Console. > > As shipped by IBM WAS 3 runs in the *BASE pool. It seems to > > have a lot less > > impact if you stick it in a pool of its own, and also > (although I know > > others disagree, and this is probably release-dependent) I > > think PURGE(*NO) > > helps quite a lot, as it does with Domino, because the number > > of ACT->WAIT > > transitions is very high because of all the threads. > > WAS 2 is a lot less greedy at startup time. WAS 2 is the only > > version on > > which I have experience of a high-volume site. I suspect that the > > differences between WAS 2 and WAS 3 are more marked at > > startup time than > > they are during normal running, but that's just a gut feel. > > Mandy > > > > > > |--------+------------------------> > > | | "Stone, Brad V| > > | | (TC)" | > > | | <bvstone@taylo| > > | | rcorp.com> | > > | | | > > | | 24/05/01 13:04| > > | | Please respond| > > | | to MIDRANGE-L | > > | | | > > |--------+------------------------> > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------| > > | > > | > > | To: "'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'" > > <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> | > > | cc: (bcc: Mandy Shaw/ESolutions/Notability) > > | > > | Subject: RE: Websphere: a resource hog? > > | > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also run websphere on a 720, but it is a hog. Needless to > > say I don't > > use > > it for prodcution. Maybe that's where the higher CPW > > requirements come in. > > It runs great with one or two hits (ie playing/testing), but > > if its a full > > blown e-commerce site getting hundreds of hits a minute (or > > more), then I > > could see why you'd need all the CPW and loads of memory. > > > > Brad > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joe Pluta [mailto:joepluta@PlutaBrothers.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:26 PM > > > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > > > Subject: RE: Websphere: a resource hog? > > > > > > > > > Dennis, I run plenty of WebSphere software on my machine, > > > which is a 370CPW > > > model 270 (with 0CPW interactive). I don't see why you would > > > need 950CPW, > > > unless you are using WebSphere Advanced Edition. You should > > > not need the > > > Advanced Edition unless you require EJB support, and most > > > applications do > > > not require EJBs. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com > > > > [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Denis > > Robitaille > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:39 PM > > > > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > > > > Subject: Websphere: a resource hog? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > We are currently working on an Ebusiness project. We want to use > > > > an AS/400 with websphere. I am amazed by the power that this > > > > software requires. The minimum requirement calls for over 950 > > > > CPW!!! I mean, we have over 40 AS/400 and none of them requires > > > > that much power. I also know that we can run webshere on an NT > > > > box and the required configuration is much less (and would cost > > > > about 75% less ALL included). > > > > > > > > Does somebody knows why this is so? > > > > > > > > My first tought would be that this is a badly written > software to > > > > require so much power to operate. 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