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  Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:33 
PM
  Subject: RE: fireproof backups
  
  Excellent 
  questions.  Supposedly the data cable and the power cable are "double 
  sealed" (whatever the heck that means!)  
  The proposed vault 
  solution is nebulous at best.  The 350 Degree/2 Hour rating given for 
  this vault is typically the standard for paper to survive a fire.  I 
  asked the vendor how this would protect magnetic media that cannot survive 
  sustained temperatures of over 120 degrees or so.  His response was that 
  he believed that was the rating outside of the safe!  I'll tell ya, this 
  guy scares me!  Even without having to consider surviving a fire, how hot 
  do you think a sealed fireproof vault would get after one week of being 
  powered on constantly and operating backups for 14 - 20 hours before being 
  opened up again the following week to replace the tapes?  He replies 
  "Well, there's a fan in the tape unit."  
  He is taking about 
  20 seconds in between the time I ask a question and he answers it.  
  (Learning as you go?)  He keeps having to go back to the company that 
  actually builds these things to answer my questions.  He uses an AOL.COM 
  address for his business email correspondance!  
  I'm seeing flashing 
  RED danger signs all over the place! 
  -Dan 
Dan Bale says "BAN DALE!" 
  
IT - AS/400 
  
Handleman Company 
  
248-362-4400  Ext. 
  4952 
D.Bale@Handleman.com 
  Quiquid latine dictum sit altum 
  viditur. 
  (Whatever is said in Latin seems 
  profound.) 
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    -----Original 
    Message----- 
From:   Neil Palmer 
    [SMTP:neilp@dpslink.com] 
Sent:   Monday, June 18, 2001 11:57 PM 
To:     
    MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com 
Subject:        RE: fireproof backups 
    And how does the SCSI cable run 
    into the vault to connect the tape drive ? 
And when that cable burns won't that 
    allow air and fire through the hole 
to burn the contents ? 
    ...Neil 
    
    "Bale, Dan" 
    <D.Bale@handleman.com> 
Sent by: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com 
    
2001/06/18 18:01 
    
Please respond to 
    MIDRANGE-L 
      
        
    To:     <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> 
    
        cc: 
    
        
    Subject:        RE: fireproof 
    backups 
    Well, got a little more 
    follow-up on this.  Apparently, there is nothing 
    
in or on the 
    vault to cool the contents. 
I wonder how hot it would get in there with the vault 
    being sealed for a 
week with the tape drive on 24x7 and operating several hours per 
    night? 
- Dan 
    
Dan Bale says 
    "BAN DALE!" 
IT - 
    AS/400 
Handleman 
    Company 
248-362-4400  Ext. 4952 
D.Bale@Handleman.com 
  Quiquid latine dictum sit altum 
    viditur. 
  
    (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) 
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-----Original Message----- 
From:   Bale, Dan 
    
Sent:   
    Monday, June 18, 2001 1:05 PM 
To:     MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com 
    
Subject:        fireproof backups 
    
Time to touch on 
    a "hot" topic around here.  Someone up in my 
organization has decided that we need to 
    fireproof our remote AS/400 
backup units.  The idea is to enclose the backup unit 
    in its own 
fireproof vault.  I imagine that this would also be our answer 
    to secure 
the 
    backup media as well.  Has anyone done this?  Wouldn't these units 
    
have to be cooled 
    in some manner to offset the heat generated by the 
tape drive?  Below is some 
    information we received from a vendor.  Has 
anyone had experience with the Mammoth 
    tape drives on the AS/400? 
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