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John/Tom, Don't you guy's get it? This (unfortunately) isn't going to hurt MS one bit in the long run. They already have 30 million subscribers! And they're still in beta. MS, understands what some folks on this list seem to miss; Joe Public doesn't give a rat's ass about the things that techies hold as sacred. - He doesn't care if his machine doesn't run for weeks on end, because he normally turns it off every night anyway. - He doesn't care if HTML mail is less secure. After all, that's why God made virus scanners. He takes a bigger risk just getting into his car everyday. How much importance is he going to put on an email virus? - He doesn't care if his personal information isn't 100% secure. He likes to give it lip service once in a while, but the truth is that he routinely gives it away for "free" stuff on the net, in the grocery store, contests etc. - He doesn't care if MS' monopoly hurts it's competitors. He get's IE for free, and "borrows" office from work, so he's happy. - He doesn't care if IIS is less secure than the web server on an iSeries, because he doesn't run a webserver. - He doesn't care if there's a chance his credit card number may be stolen because, a) he takes the same risk every time he hands it to a waitress, and b) he's not going to have to pay the charges anyway. - He doesn't care if NS6 adheres to stricter standards than MS - he just knows it messes up the way his web pages look. The list goes on and on.... Companies like MS and AOL are going to win the internet battle just as easily as they won the others, because they deliver what Joe Public wants. It doesn't have to be reliable, secure, and scalable. It has to be: -cheap -easy to use -cheap -visually appealing -and cheap John Taylor > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com > [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of jpcarr@tredegar.com > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:56 PM > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com > Subject: RE my XP Windows got broke in a Hailstorm > > > > > >> On Thu, 19 July 2001, "John Taylor" wrote: > >> MS Passport is a good example. This will catch on like wildfire. > > >LOL! MS Passport was a specific reason I moved away from that whole mess! > >If this don't demonstrate "One man's meat is another man's poison", > nothing in this forum ever will. > >(BTW, not laughing personally at your comments; it was the possibility of > different viewpoints on this that struck >me so funny.) > >Tom Liotta > > > > > Tom > > After the below link.... shall we say "Embarrassment" many big name > companies may be coming to the same conclusion you did. > > I personally feel very bad for them. > Imagine, They have . er . a couple of people ... who theoretically know > how to configure Windows servers and they couldn't keep it up. Hmm. > > Again, I feel their pain. > > John Carr > > Read the whole article its really good. > > -------------------------------------------- > MSN Messenger partial outage: Day 7 > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6473003.html?tag=st.ne.1005.s > aslnk.saseml > > While Microsoft struggles to resolve this short-term crisis, long term the > outage casts a shadow over some of the company's newest technologies and > initiatives that use instant messaging. > > In March, Microsoft unveiled HailStorm, one of the cornerstones of the > company's .Net software-as-a-service strategy. Through HailStorm, > Microsoft > hopes to deliver e-commerce services, address books online, and password > management to disparate devices such as PCs, handhelds or cell phones. > > Microsoft is integrating HailStorm into many new products such as Windows > XP, the Xbox game console, and the Stinger cell phone. > > HailStorm, in part, relies on instant messaging. > > ------------------------------- > oh and these ( a few JUST from July so far) > > and this; > > The attackers had access to a Windows NT directory that houses Web banking > customers' login names and encrypted passwords, the report stated. Using > "brute force" decryption techniques, a hacker could decrypt the passwords > and compromise accounts. > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6476215.html?tag=st.ne.1003.s aslnk.saseml and this Program may exploit Microsoft server hole http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6466569.html?tag=st.ne.1003.saslnk.sase ml and this Microsoft warns of e-mail vulnerability http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6559890.html?tag=mn_hd and this (well this is from January when they were down after being hacked but it's REAL good) http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4606753-0.html?tag=st.ne.1003.saslnk.sa seml I got more from July but I got tired of pasteing them. -------------------------------- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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