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<snip> were you talking about loading all cumes, and groups, while the system was running; and later doing the PWRDWNSYS to actually apply them? </snip> Yes. In all reality if the package load is done correctly, your save prior to the application of the PTFs would not change. May I suggest that you reverse the order? If you do the save right after the PTF application, you now have the proper copy of the system to restore from a complete recovery if needed. With the order you currently use, if a complete restore were needed, you would have to re-apply the PTFs (assuming no other full save is done at another time) If downtime is a strong concern, you may want to look at BRMS to help you manage the saves and get them into a save while active mode for the user data. I have recovered systems using this software and it works very well. Even the save while active is very good now even though it used to be somewhat questionable. You can do SWA without BRMS, it just makes it much easier. Also, presuming that you keep all four of your LPARs at the same PTF level, with the same licensed program products, you really only need to back up one copy. Get a security and configuration save for each LPAR and you are good to go. Remember to print out the LPAR configuration since that was not saveable at earlier OS versions. Jim Oberholtzer
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