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RE: QRPGSRC vs. QRPGLESRC

*BNDDIR and binder language have to be included as a part of program
technical design; having a robust source/*BNDDIR naming convention is a
great help.  Adding multiple "pieces" to a single "program" adds another
level of complexity, particularly to design (setting it up right the first
time) and maintenance (keeping track of how it works).

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@midrange.com
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@midrange.com] On Behalf Of
> rob@dekko.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:23 PM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: RE: QRPGSRC vs. QRPGLESRC
> 
> Be still my beating heart!  There is a vendor who uses ILE?  My God, there
> is hope!
> 
> How would this work on a multiple module ILE program?
> 
> Rob Berendt
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> Benjamin Franklin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Rubino, Jim" <Jim.Rubino@Fike.com>
> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@midrange.com
> 01/21/2003 03:18 PM
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> 
> Yes it does..............we have several ILE programs we have written and
> some of JDE's.
> Here is what an ILE looks like:
> 
>                      Display Object Description - Service
>                                                                 Library 1
> of
> 1
> Object . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :   P4211
>   Library  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :     EJDEMOD
> Type . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :   *PGM
> 
> Source file  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :   JDESRC
>   Library  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :     EJDEMOD
> Member . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :   P4211
> Attribute  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :   RPGLE
> User-defined attribute . . . . . . . . . :   *CHGOBJSRC
> Freed  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :   NO
> Size . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :   13258752
> Creation date/time . . . . . . . . . . . :   01/03/03  14:41:15
> Source file date/time  . . . . . . . . . :   01/03/03  14:39:17
> System level . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :   V4R5M0
> Compiler . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :   CRTPGM     V4R5M0
> Object control level . . . . . . . . . . :
> Changed by program . . . . . . . . . . . :   YES
> 
> The library EJDEMOD is our production library, this object was moved from
> FIKEDEV to FIKETEST and then to EJDEMOD.
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rob@dekko.com [mailto:rob@dekko.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:49 PM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: RE: QRPGSRC vs. QRPGLESRC
> 
> 
> Does that work for your ile programs also?
> 
> Rob Berendt
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> Benjamin Franklin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Rubino, Jim" <Jim.Rubino@Fike.com>
> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@midrange.com
> 01/21/2003 02:15 PM
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> 
> All of your source in one file is ok as long as you do not have any
> objects/source with the same name.  Some software packages have CL, RPG,
> CMD, DSPF, PRTF that are the same name and this would not work putting
> them
> all in one source file. The objects for files would be in one library and
> the pgms would be in another one.
> 
> As for knowing where the source is for an object:
> Understand that you can see where the source was at the time the object
> was
> created by doing a:
> 
> DSPOBJD OBJ(objectname) OBJTYPE(*PGM) DETAIL(*SERVICE).
> 
> If you create your objects in a library different than the production and
> you move the object and source to production, then the DSPOBJD will not be
> correct.  If you move the source to production and then recreate the
> objects, then the DSPOBJD would be correct......UNLESS someone moves the
> source member to a different source file (like into in one source, like
> the
> thread is suggesting).
> 
> We do all of our new and mods in a development library, move the source
> and
> object to a test library for the users to test and then move the source
> and
> object to a production library.  In each of these cases when we do the
> move,
> we use the command CHGOBJD2 to change the library name for the source
> library name to the library we are moving to.  This way we can always tell
> where the source is for the object.  If we where to move source into a
> different source file name and library, we have a PDM user option to
> change
> all of the objects in a library to the new source file name and library.
> This way there is not question as to where the source is for an object.
> The CHGOBJD2 is a TAATOOL command.
> 
> It really depends on how accurate and tight you want your
> system/programming.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malchow, Grizzly [mailto:GMalchow@automaticproducts.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:30 AM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: RE: QRPGSRC vs. QRPGLESRC
> 
> 
> The whole reason this started is because someone couldn't find the source
> of
> a program. This person hasn't programmed in about 8 years, and never in
> RPGIV. Thus this person never looks in QRPGLESRC. I don't think this
> person
> even knew the file existed. Unfortunately this person is the one who makes
> the decisions. I disagree with this decision. Maybe I can find some RPG 2
> programs to stick in the source file also.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Chabot [mailto:echabot@marlinfirearms.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: RE: QRPGSRC vs. QRPGLESRC
> 
> 
> Griz,
> 
> General housekeeping and organization should be reason enough.  I'm not
> sure
> if there is an overriding technical reason, but perhaps others on the list
> can help.
> 
> Ed Chabot
> The Marlin Firearms Company
> 100 Kenna Drive
> North Haven, CT 06743
> (203)985-3254
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@midrange.com
> [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Malchow, Grizzly
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:18 AM
> To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> Subject: QRPGSRC vs. QRPGLESRC
> 
> 
> I'm supposed to create a source file named QRPGSRC that will be hold all
> of
> source files, both RPG and RPGILE. I've always kept the 2 source members
> in
> seperate source files. I.E. QRPGSRC and QRPGLESRC. I know QRPGLESRC has a
> longer record length. I'm supposed to create a QRPGSRC with a record
> lenght
> of 112. Everywhere I've been before has always kept the sources seperate.
> I
> don't think it's necesarily a good idea. I need a good reason to explain
> why
> we should not do this, other than industry standards, the differences in
> the
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