Re: Model 170 for Personal Development

["Mark S. Waterbury" <mark.s.waterbury@xxxxxxx>]

Hi, Terry:

You may want to check out www.timeshare400.com and/or www.netshare400.com -- 
they both offer "time-sharing" where you can simply telnet into an AS/400 and 
you get your own userID and disk space, etc., and it is only about $10 per 
month, and they have ALL the software development tools, etc., all properly 
licensed, etc. and they maintain it all for you (keeping up with PTFs etc.)

Unless of course you want to get a machine because you want to learn how to 
IPL, how to do back-ups, how to load the OS and other software, etc. ;-)

Regards,

Mark S. Waterbury

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Winchester Terry" <terry.winchester@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:11 AM
Subject: Model 170 for Personal Development


> First off, I apologize if this is in the wrong forum.
> I'm sure David will tell me "where to go" if necessary ;-)
> 
> A couple of years ago I looked at buying a Model 400 at 
> V4R4 and passed on the deal since I thought the upgrade,
> software, subscription fees, etc. to get to V5R1 would 
> bankrupt me ;-)
> 
> Now I'm looking again at buying a box for home use and 
> personal development.  I would like to have full Client 
> Access, SEU/PDM and Query400 available since these are 
> the tools that I use the most in my day-to-day job. 
> 
> Have stumbled across what I "think" is a good deal on a
> used system but would like to hear some other opinions :) 
> The system is a Model 170 at V5R1 with the following:
> 
>  Product           Description            Qty         
>  9406-170 e-Server System Unit W/D 12/200    1     
>      0032 Modem                              1     
>      0348 PCI Cable - V.24/EIA232 20-Ft      1     
>      2290 Model 170 Processor 128MB          1     
>      2924 English                            1    
>      5027 Software Version V5R1              1      
>      6382 4GB 1/4-inch Cartr. Tape (PCI)     1     
>      8813 Opt Base 8.58GB Disk Unit   (S/    1     
>      9720 PCI Base WAN/Twinaxial IOA         1     
>      9738 PCI Base 100/10Mbps Ethernet IO    1
> 
> It comes with the CD/Proof of entitlement and the Base OS
> for $1500.  
> 
> Since I'm not a whiz on IBM software, I looked at our 
> Production system at work (also at V5R1) to see what software 
> I would actually be getting:
> 
> Resource                                                    
>    ID     Option  Feature  Description                      
> 5722999   *BASE    5050    AS/400 Licensed Internal Code    
> 5722SS1   *BASE    5050    Operating System/400             
> 5722SS1   *BASE    2924    Operating System/400             
> 1TMELCF   *BASE    5001    Tivoli Management Agent for AS/400 
> 1TMELCF   *BASE    2924    Tivoli Management Agent for AS/400     
> 5722DG1   *BASE    5050    IBM HTTP Server for iSeries            
> 5722DG1   *BASE    2924    IBM HTTP Server for iSeries            
> 5722IP1   *BASE    5050    IBM Infoprint Server for AS/400     
> 5722IP1   *BASE    2924    IBM Infoprint Server for AS/400     
> 5722JC1   *BASE    5050    AS/400 Toolbox for Java             
> 5722JC1   *BASE    2924    AS/400 Toolbox for Java             
> 5722JV1   *BASE    5050    IBM Developer Kit for Java          
> 5722JV1   *BASE    2924    IBM Developer Kit for Java          
> 5722PT1   *BASE    5050    Performance Tools for AS/400 - Base 
> 5722PT1   *BASE    2924    Performance Tools for AS/400 - Base
> 5722QU1   *BASE    5050    Query for AS/400
> 
> 5722QU1   *BASE    2924    Query for AS/400
> 
> 5722ST1   *BASE    5050    DB2 Query Manager and SQL Development Kit for
> AS/40
> 5722ST1   *BASE    2924    DB2 Query Manager and SQL Development Kit for
> AS/40
> 5722TC1   *BASE    5050    AS/400 TCP/IP Connectivity Utilities/400
> 
> 5722TC1   *BASE    2924    AS/400 TCP/IP Connectivity Utilities/400
> 
> 5722WDS   *BASE    5050    Websphere Development Studio
> 
> 5722WDS   *BASE    2924    Websphere Development Studio
> 
> 5722WSV   *BASE    5050    IBM AS/400 Integration for Windows Server        
> 5722WSV   *BASE    2924    IBM AS/400 Integration for Windows Server        
> 5722XE1   *BASE    5050    Client Access/400 Express for Windows 
> 5722XE1   *BASE    2924    Client Access/400 Express for Windows 
> 5722XW1   *BASE    5050    Client Access/400 Windows Family Base 
> 5722XW1   *BASE    2924    Client Access/400 Windows Family Base 
> 5798RZG   *BASE    5050    AS/400 Service Agent                           
> 5798RZG   *BASE    2924    AS/400 Service Agent                           
> 
> Looking for thought/opinions on:
> 
> a)  This is the list of items having options with *BASE, so 
> I'm *assuming* that I can rely on the same software being 
> installed on the Model 170. Please tell me if this assumption
> is wrong!
> 
> b)  I'm not sure the *BASE list shown above contains everything
> I need.  I don't see SEU/PDM listed and am afraid that buying
> these would exceed the cost of the system :(
> 
> c)  It looks like the drive (8GB) and memory (128MB) may be 
> on the minimum side. I'm a firm believer in lots of disk space
> and memory :)  However, this may be adequate for my purposes
> as a single user system (possibly with two sessions open). 
> The vendor told me that he might be able to scrounge a cheap,
> used hard drive if I needed more DASD.  I'm not concerned
> with having a RAID system - just making sure I have enough
> "room" to work.
> 
> Would appreciate any feedback that anyone has about this system.
> I may be able to handle adding a few hundred more dollars to
> get this box up to speed but I have a bad feeling it's going
> to cost much more than that :(
> 
> Terry
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