Re: Fwd: Need Help Against Unethical California Software BusinessPractices

["Jim Franz" <franz400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I would complain to your state's Attorney General office. Some states are
very agressive about anything that has the appearance of fraudulent billing
practices. They are a public company on the OTC exchange. Is it possible
they are doing all this billing to make the financials look better?
See if the SEC covers them and has a place to complain.
But first you should have contact with them & see if they clear it up.
It was not hard to find contact info on their website...
http://www.calsw.com/calsw/company/worldwideoffices.asp
HEADQUARTERS
1241 Puerta Del Sol
San Clemente, California 92673

Telephone:  (949) 498-9300
Fax:  (949) 498-9201
jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: Fwd: Need Help Against Unethical California Software
BusinessPractices


> Invoice spam?  Bill everyone and hope that x% just pay the bill without
> thinking.  Having no phone or email contact reduces your expense enough to
> make it profitable.
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> Rob Berendt
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> Group Dekko Services, LLC
> Dept 01.073
> PO Box 2000
> Dock 108
> 6928N 400E
> Kendallville, IN 46755
> http://www.dekko.com
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> We too are receiving monthly bills.  We had just an evaluation system, PC
> and all.  Would not run what we needed so we returned it.  Every so often
> we
> get an invoice from them.  Accounting now hand delivers to the corporate
> lawyer.  Will never do business with them.  Cannot call them, no response
> to
> e-mails, They don't seem to exist except in invoice land...
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> Chris Bipes
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> Well...they *are* entering into that unholy 'Midrange Alliance' with
> Microsoft...maybe California Software is trying to impress  Microsoft
> with their business practices.
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> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Cluke" <>
> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc
> > Subject: Need Help Against Unethical California Software Business
> Practices
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> > > Dear iSeries community:
> > >
> > > AVOID DOING BUSINESS WITH CALIFORNIA SOFTWARE.
> > >
> > > I purchased a personal copy of Baby/400 from California Software in
> > > 1998 for around $1K. I used the product for about three months, didn't
> > > like it, and uninstalled it in the Spring of 1999, at which point I
> > > conducted no further business or correspondence with California
> > > Software.
> > >
> > > Suddenly in September 2003, California Software sent me an "annual
> > > maintenance" invoice for $5000 (yes, 5 times the original purchase
> > > price) of the product I had uninstalled over 4 years prior.
> > >
> > > In the 17 months since then, I have emailed, faxed, phoned and written
> > > to California Software, trying to explain to them there never was a
> > > maintenance contract.  They have ignored all requests from myself, a
> > > lawyer, and the Los Angeles Better Business Bureau, for copies of the
> > > supposed contract.
> > >
> > > And with all of this, unbelievably, California Software continues to
> > > bill me.  This year, they've apparently once again changed the terms
> of
> > > the contract that never existed, and are billing me on a monthly basis
> > > to the tune of $417/month.
> > >
> > > The reasons for my posting this article are two-fold:
> > >
> > > (1) To warn small companies or individuals and consultants who do not
> > > have lots of money to spend in court to seriously reconsider any
> > > business with this company, and
> > >
> > > (2) To beg anyone with any helpful information or suggestions as to
> how
> > > to deal with this situation to please email me back at
> > > tclukay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > I would prefer not to have to take money out of my IRA or my son's
> > > college fund to fight these unethical preditors.
> > >
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