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As one of the posters is trying to drill in to us, a third party product may not be required. Providing; we are able to get over javaphobia. We can either write in java, or call java from other hll's like rpgle. Wouldn't it be cute if one of the vendors charging bucks for their products simply had calls to java api's wrapped up, simply to take advantage of java phobia? Rob Berendt
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