Re: Help me Justify iSeries -- MIDRANGE-L

success stories
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/success/
executive briefing center (Rochester) and there are others
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/briefingcenter/rbc/news.html
iNation
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/nation/join.html
iSeries literature (link off  iNation) hundreds of pdf docs - use the tabs
look for cost of ownership studies and more
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/nation/literature.html
videos
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/nation/videos.html
try the one labelled "i5"
if you've been to Common or other events in past few years, ibm had a cd
w/Ian Jarman
doing a lengthy presentation that really lays out to non-iSeries managers
what the real strengths
of the platform are - it used to be somewhere in the ibm site but they keep
moving it around

Question: is this the same manager who approved the 200k   i5?
does he buy his pc's from Office Depot? (if so-he needs his presentations in
crayon)
who supports your pc servers? how much time?
are they doing the weekly & monthly critical updates? scan for spyware,
virus checking.
all time & money.... - count the down time!
(as you posted yesterday, 1 customer lost 1/2 day of all user activity -
they went MS Terminal Server a few years ago for all lan users, and I
estimate they have 50 hrs a year of total outage - the server locks up
(after getting slower & slower for hours) and then they reboot. But
yesterday it just didn't get better after rebooting and this is maintained
by a very well certified MS engineer. I'd say yesterday cost them $30-50k.
Any pc server programs going to be obsolete/unrunnable on MS's next release?
Does he "really" know what a a quality redundant server farm really costs?
with database, security, development tools, management tools,
backup/recovery - add ALL purchase & maintenance & 'time to manage' in for
the cost of the servers
Does your main apps come in pc flavor? Cost? Who will convert? Who will
retrain? Who will support them? Will it have more downtime than your i5?
Measure TCO total cost of ownership
in no less than 3 years.

Then ask yourself the question: can the i5 be doing more to support the
business?
Is it ever down? go thru all of the above and make the i5 mean more to the
business.
jim



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ron_adams@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: Help me Justify iSeries


> My boss has the impression that running on the iSeries/AS400 is more
> costly than a Wintel platform with something like Oracle or SQL Server.
>
> I'm a staunch supporter of the iSeries, however, my boss who came from a
> Microsoft environment seems to think its so much more expensive to stay on
> the iSeries due to hardware and software costs. How can I convince him
> that this where our business needs to be? Or, has the time come to give up
> the fight?
>
> BTW: the scale-tipping factor was the high cost of a backup machine for
> D-R purposes. We're looking at about $20K to buy a new low-end 520 with
> V5R3 and enough DASD to put in another location as a hot-site. The
> production machine is an Enterprise Class 520 that we purchased in Sept of
> last year. The total cost including all of our software licenses was
> around $200K.  I hate to say it, but I think he may be right. I agree that
> iSeries is a stable and secure platfor that is highly capable of running
> our business, but unfortunately, they're only looking at the bottom line.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Adams
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