RE: Websphere Learning Curve

[jns <JNS@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Are there any public sites that show a websphere scenario for learning or sales 
purposes?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005, 9:07 AM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
> 
> Jay -
> 
> The decision is more along the lines of application serving versus
> Common Gateway Interface. And there's a whole debate about that. IMO,
> most things that people want to do can be done with CGI stuff. However,
> that usually means that you're hosting the CGI program on your business
> logic server (iSeries), where an application server (like WAS) could be
> hosted on Linux or Windows and talk to the backend. This should reduce
> security exposure. 
> 
> Some people say that CGI doesn't scale well. Others say it scales fine.
> I think the application server concept is more flexible, but it's more
> complicated to implement. There are also many applications that need an
> application server, so your choices could be limited by that.
> 
> But, if you want to put up some web pages that are served by your
> iSeries, and have users fill out forms and get data back from the
> iSeries, you can do that simply with CGI. If you need to implement
> someone else's code, and they require an application server, then you
> need WAS...or Tomcat.
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
> > From: jns <JNS@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Mon, June 20, 2005 11:55 am
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > 
> > Michael, the forms are primarily NON Static. 
> > Your point is good, but it raises another question, Why would anyone go to a
> websphere platform?
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005, 8:40 AM
> > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
> > > 
> > > Do they just want static forms (PDFs maybe) posted on a web site for
> > > download, or do they want interactive forms that will accept
> > > information and access a database and post information back? For the
> > > former, WAS is not needed at all - the Apache web server will work
> > > fine. If it's the latter, then also look at CGI programming.
> > > 
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
> > > > From: jns <JNS@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Date: Mon, June 20, 2005 11:21 am
> > > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > 
> > > > Yes WAS. The company wants to have their shipping rates, ins.  posted,
> the
> > > tracking of shipments, the import forms.
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005, 7:23 AM
> > > > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
> > > > > 
> > > > > Installing Websphere on iSeries is easy. A few clicks and it's
> > > > > installed. Creating applications to work under Websphere Application
> > > > > Server is a different story. What is your planned use of Websphere?
> And
> > > > > I assume you're talking Application Server (WAS).
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > > Subject: Websphere Learning Curve
> > > > > > From: jns <JNS@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Date: Mon, June 20, 2005 9:38 am
> > > > > > To: <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I know this has been discussed, but if someone has no Websphere
> > > > > > practical knowledge what is the learning curve like? Suppose a
> company
> > > > > > decides to install Websphere, what is the training needed for staff,
> -
> > > > > > Operators, Programmers. Is this something that is a matter of
> following
> > > > > > a set of instructions, say like doing an OS upgrade, 5.2 to 5.3? 
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Jay
> > > > > >
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