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We are a customer of Soft Landing's Turnover change management package. It supports the approval process that you noted. Although our users would gag at the once a month implementation of new code. Turnover also has an 'emergency' route that can be used also. If someone so much as does a CHGPRTF on the production machine when you go to promote a changed object into production it will stop and tell you that something has changed and wait for your approval. Drawback is that every run of a SQLRPGLE program modifies the program changed attribute to record the SQL access path used. It will stop and wait for your approval on that. I think they might be working on telling the difference. One does not want to be come numb to this. Don't skimp on the education. But like you said; a shop still running S/36 code wants a new Bently for the $40 I sold my Oldsmobile to the junk car man for. Rob Berendt
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