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OK, I was being a bit flip but I was just looking at Dekko's historical pro-iSeries attitudes. A cost savings is a cost savings as long as you consider all of the costs. Hey, I'm a PC guy myself at heart that likes playing with various technologies. When the smoke clears (cough, cough <== another inside joke) it boils down to what does the job in a cost-effective manner. If this is a non-critical or temporay solution then maybe a Linux server is the way to go. If it's going to be a long-term solution then maybe you want to leverage you iSeries investment. John made some good points about the opportunity costs of one versus the other. Ultimately someone is going to have to decide what issues are relevant, which ones aren't, and what their costs are. Dave Parnin -- Nishikawa Standard Company Topeka, IN 46571 daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent by: To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion midrange-l-bounces@m <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> idrange.com cc: Subject: Re: Interactive tax on processor. Why not disk too? 01/11/2006 05:05 PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Dave, I've learned to toe the company line. If the boss himself is concerned about the cost of i5 disk, then I am. After all, I'm no Celia (inside Dekko joke that Dave will get). Off brands, like EMC, are still way more expensive than PC disk. And come with their own set of problems with i5/os upgrades, etc. Been there, done that, have the scars. One reason I added in some thought time was the backup. Instead of TSM going to disk, then tape, we'd set up a special process for this archive data to bypass the disk part and go straight to tape. After all, it's archive data and there shouldn't be a big rush on a restore. We shouldn't have to add any new tape drives for the Linux system. And I am hoping that we would reduce the number of tapes in our nightly Domino save to give us more than enough tapes to do weekly saves (or less) of the archive data. Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 01/11/2006 04:27 PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Fax to Subject Re: Interactive tax on processor. Why not disk too? Rob, I thought the mantra was "disk is cheap". IBM disk has never been as cheap as PC's but that's been the "tax" you pay for the connivence, quality, and service of being "i"ntegrated. You have said before that you don't like off-brands for iSeries disk because they have more issues than true IBM drives. How are you going to back up your Linux server? TSM? Oops, the data is back on the iSeries! That's OK, though because disk is cheap. If you start adding in the costs of a tape drive and tapes for your Linux system you may be eating up some of your savings. Dave Parnin -- Nishikawa Standard Company Topeka, IN 46571 daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent by: To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx midrange-l-bounces@m cc: idrange.com Subject: Interactive tax on processor. Why not disk too? 01/11/2006 03:49 PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Someone recently said that the interactive tax is not really a tax. They just didn't give the interactive users the deep discounting they gave others on the newer processors. Ok, suppose this is true, and the 90% of you who think this is BS temporarily coat it with honey and go on to the rest of this email. Why don't they give people who are not using the i5 disk for interactive applications a break also? In our shop a measly 9% of disk is used for "traditional" i5/os applications like our payroll, ERP, i5/os, etc. By far a vast majority of it is used for: - Tivoli Storage Manager to back up clients and servers - IXS card storage spaces - Domino Now, since he can buy a new Linux server with 500GB for less than the cost of 140GB of iSeries disk, the boss is thinking of forcing the archival of all Domino mail messages over a specified duration to a Linux based Domino server. Since it is the cost of iSeries disk that is gagging us, you can bet your sweet aunt that we are not going to run this Linux server as an iSeries partition. Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.
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