Re: [CPF0000] The globalization of COMMON, or is this the right direction?

["Jim Franz" <franz400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

i would strongly disagree. we had to invent the technology to be clean...
that technology exists now, and its just a matter of enacting & enforcing 
laws.
our own companies would still be dirty if the criminal penalties did not 
exist.
In China a year ago, a major chemical spill took many lives. China 
imprisoned
and (i think) executed some who were responsible. It takes that to get 
compliance.

According to your arguement - we should look the other way as other 
countries
enact slavery as a way of "catching up".
jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Payne" <CPayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: [CPF0000] The globalization of COMMON,or is this the right 
direction?


> You have to remember though that when we had our industrial revolution
> none of that stuff was in place, we had an ugly time of it with deaths,
> pollution and all sorts of nasty side effects, but the gains to society
> were so large we were willing to accept the cost. Once we had an
> industrial society we had so much more wealth that we could turn our
> attention to things like the environment and workplace safety. By
> insisting that other nations must have these things in place before they
> have the wealth of being an industrial society, we are putting them in a
> catch 22.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Adams
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:30 PM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: Re: [CPF0000] The globalization of COMMON,or is this the right
> direction?
>
> Trevor Perry wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > It is so simple, it is obvious.
> I agree, Trevor.
>
>
> The problem, though, (as Joe pointed out verbosely) is parity and
> equity.  If the rules (such as EPA, OSHA, etc.) were at least close
> globally, this discussion would not be taking place.  The imbalance is
> like mixing a glass of ice-water and a glass of hot water: the
> temperature settles to a "happy" medium.  As Joe tried to illustrate,
> this is simple leveling.
>
>
> Companies do not outsource for any altruistic reasons; it is purely an
> economic decision (as Paul pointed out).  If there were equity across
> borders, why would one bother relocating a plant or a function?  It is
> not a matter (always) of upgrading skill sets; when the skill sets are
> very identical, this admonition fails of its own weight.  If it were a
> matter of one, for example, refusing to give up good ol' RPG II and
> learn RPG IV, you might be on to something, but it's not.
>
>
> I'm not a protectionist at heart nor, do I think, xenophobic.  But I do
> have a strong sense of fair play.  My grandfather's fault, I suppose.
>
>
> However, parity has never existed and never will.  In fact, since you're
>
> suggesting reading, may I reciprocate?  Alvin Toffler in "The Third
> Wave" pretty much predicted all of this: globalization, the simultaneous
>
> breakdown of some national units (USSR -> Russia, etc., as well as the
> decentralization of the USA), as well as the centralization of
> corporations.  It was pretty scary (to me) when I read it in the 80's.
>
>
>
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