Re: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch

["Mark Allen" <scprideandms@xxxxxxxxx>]

We can dream can't we, and I am not an 'average" programmer  :) but IMEO
this would ROCK.....

hmmm,, time to play a little.....

On 12/11/06, M Lazarus <mlazarus@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Trevor,
>
> Having an HTTP server does NOT match my definition of GUI.  I want to be
> able to (at least start to) GUI'ize my applications by using the EXFMT
> keyword (maybe w/ some extensions) and not have to have multiple
> "threads" within the program whether the client is a browser or green
> screen.  This would make a basic browser session within reach of the
> average RPG programmer.
>
> I believe that it would be used FAR more than anything that is available
> now, in short time - giving the applications programs a large facelift.
> More sophisticated techniques could be added later, depending on the
> user's programming proficiency and the capabilities IBM is will to build
> in.  I'm sure that they could tap into many existing routines to get the
> job done, so it would be a "from the ground up" effort.
>
> -mark
>
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > Most people here know my thoughts on this. GUI can improve productivity
> by
> > 30 to 80 percent. And, it costs MORE for green training in today's
> modern
> > world. Data entry is human-error-prone outdated and can be replaced by
> > myriads of choices. Green screen is simply kept for familiarity and
> > resistance to change.
> >
> > I think that the System i can ALREADY be defined as matching the GUI
> > definition you have - it has an HTTP server. I think it is YOUR
> > applications
> > that are not up to speed. That is what is giving the System i the bad
> rep
> > -
> > not the OS..
> >
> > Trevor
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "M. Lazarus" <mlazarus@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch
> >
> >
> >> Trevor,
> >>
> >>  For the record, from a practical, business data entry standpoint, I
> >> don't think that a GUI has a major advantage over green screen (the
> >> exception being navigation.)  In fact, it may be a hindrance.  But,
> >> when it comes to identifying a screen / panel as being modern of old,
> >> a half decent GUI will look and fell more comfortable to the average
> >> user and manager and person in a software purchasing position.
> >>
> >>  Enhancing an application is a lot different than making it a
> >> crucial part of your application.  If I require a third party GUI
> >> application to market together with my software, then it's usually a
> >> non-starter.  It might be OK as an optional component.
> >>
> >>  BUT, and here's the key, you can throw as many 3rd party GUI
> >> vendors as you out there into the mix, but the system won't be known
> >> in the marketplace as having a native GUI.
> >>
> >>  As far as the name is concerned, if IBM was truly pushing the brand
> >> name - AND added the modern, very visible components, then I think
> >> that it would make a difference.  Anything else and it doesn't make
> >> much difference.
> >>
> >>
> >>  -mark
> >
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