Re: Thin clients

[Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Am I understanding this right?  You are suggesting that some chip maker, 
say in Asia, could make a chip with Linux embedded, and with certain 
applications, say a modest word processor/spreadsheet and Mozilla 
Firefox & Thunderbird?  There would be no actual software, only 
hardware?  It would be cheap enough so that application upgrades are 
irrelevant?  This hardware would have no moving parts excepting the 
keyboard keys?



Pete Helgren wrote:
> Aaron,
>
> Thin clients might also get some competition from virtualization.  I was 
> just reading an article about how virtualization is moving off the OS 
> and down to the hypervisor layer.  Basically the VM runs directly on the 
> hypervisor which is running directly on the metal.  So, you could end up 
> with with specialized applications running in a VM with no OS. You 
> eliminate the OS hassles and get increased performance.  Better yet, 
> there would be greater security because the applications could be 
> optimized for the hypervisor layer with security built in.  Essentially 
> you could have a thin client application that runs on a hypervisor 
> rather than an OS.  A user might have a "office application" running in 
> a VM and a business application running in a VM.
>
> There is an article here: 
> http://www.scaleoutadvantage.techweb.com/news/str_iweek20070810_hypervisors.jhtml
>
> And what BEA has already done: 
> http://www.networkcomputing.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201305689
>
> Future stuff, yes.  But perhaps we are moving to a era where apps are 
> written for a specific hypervisor and provide specific functions to 
> limit security concerns and maximize performance.  Perhaps thin client 
> apps would boot directly from the hypervisor, delivered from a server.  
> That would eliminate application admin issues as well as the hassle of 
> maintain an OS to run the client in.  And, should be very fast and secure.
>
> Pete Helgren
>
> albartell wrote:
>   
> > You guys that are using this thin client stuff need to write some articles!
> > I think this is great stuff!
> >
> > What I would cover in such an article is simply your initial need, R&D to
> > find a solution, implementation, and then a history of it's success.  If you
> > don't want to do it for a trade rag you could at least do it for
> > imho.midrange.com.
> >
> > Are there any articles out there already that I just haven't taken the time
> > to notice?
> >
> > Aaron Bartell
> > http://mowyourlawn.com
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> > iGels are a very nice thin client also (we moved to them about 3 years ago).
> > iGel was able to provide a flash card that could be installed into the old
> > IBM thin clients that would run the iGel thin client image... 3 years later
> > the majority of our thin clients are still the old IBMs (almost 10 years old
> > at this point?) that run the iGel image from the flash card.
> > Pretty slick stuff.  Good mgt software also for administering them.
> >
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> > I've been working with Neoware thin clients for a few years now.
> > They're a pretty good investment. But...I also remembering IBM dropping
> > their thin client line and catching us off guard. HP buying Neoware does a
> > lot for strengthening the thin client value proposition.
> >
> > On 9/12/07, Raul A. Jager W. <raul@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > If this article is real, the idea of developing web applications in 
> > > AS/400 has good future.....
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> > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/12/technology/techspecial/12thin.html?th&emc=
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