RE: HR/Payroll Systems

["Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Payday gets especially interesting if you're a union shop where the contract
allows for work stoppages if the checks are not delivered by a certain time.

Heck, I've seen contracts that called for the guys to get paid in cash.

Paul Nelson
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Office 512-392-2577
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Kevin.Brake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:50 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: HR/Payroll Systems

Ah, happiness is being able to count on actually getting paid without
waiting for your system to be fixed.

The other side of this coin is that payroll software systems are
maintenance intensive from a development perspective. Unless you are a
payroll systems software company or have sufficient expertise on staff,
they can be cost prohibitive. Consider that if you have customers who could
be located anywhere or may have employees located anywhere, just keeping up
with the tax law changes across 50 states, the fed, and Canada can be a
full time job.

My last employer was a ERP vendor specializing in mid size manufacturing -
we were down to around 70 customers who had the payroll module. We offered
a free interface to ADP or Business Pro and the like for anyone who would
stop using payroll in the hopes that we could get out of the PR business.



Kevin Brake, MSSE
Applications and Business Analyst - Enterprise Solutions
Information & Technology Services
City of Goodyear
190 N. Litchfield Rd.
Goodyear, AZ 85338
623-882-7857
623-882-7858 (Fax)
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Well of Course HR/Payroll have no clue and it will be up to I.T. to bail
them out. Hopefully our I.T. VP and Director will have some sensible
input but HR/Payroll is convinced it must change to make their lives
easier and employees happier?


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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:51 AM
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Subject: Re: HR/Payroll Systems

Ah... well when giving them a price, make sure to add in the months of
work
to convert over. If this is a Windows solution, make sure to add in the
cost
of downtime. Then price out the cost of your programmers (if you have
that
skill set) to write a web front-end to whatever they want.

> From what I have heard about Lawson on Windows AND Unix, it isn't as
stable
as it is on the System i. I can't say for sure with any other system,
but I
could only imagine similar problems with large and complex payroll
systems.

On Dec 31, 2007 9:42 AM, Leibowitz, Larry
<Larry.Leibowitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> That's exactly it Mike.  Being we are a Small/Medium Size Company with
> about 125 Corporate Employees and roughly 1000 Branch Employees and I
am
> not quite sure of our annual Corporate Income since we a privately
owned
> and I am not privy to that information. We currently use one of the
> vendors mentioned below and they are indeed too pricy for us to enable
> their Self Service/Web Enabled offering. So on to a Windows Based/SQL
> Server Type of product HR/Payroll will lead us into. The gist of this
is
> exactly what Paul has eluded to "HR was enamored with being able to
use
> a mouse".
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:27 AM
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> Subject: Re: HR/Payroll Systems
>
> They could do stuff like request vacation, see their check stubs,
> request
> changes to address, deductions, direct deposits. Basic stuff, but
items
> that
> take up a lot of payrolls time in large companies.
>
> Infinium (or SSA Global) and Lawson Software had some decent
solutions,
> but
> you might find that while your package is quite expensive, moving to a
> new
> application will be more so. Possibly system upgrades as well.
>
> Depending on your shop, maybe you just want to write it yourself.
>
> On Dec 31, 2007 9:19 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I am curious as to what the employee could self service?  Don't
assume
> > anything.  Like, if their name doesn't match their Social Security
> card
> > EXACTLY when you send in your W2 information electronically then you
> could
> > be fined $50/W2.  At least that's the way it was back in the dark
ages
> > when I worked on the payroll system.  Must be somewhat still in
force
> as
> > they made us drag out our SSN cards not too long ago to verify
> spelling.
> > Maybe Direct Deposit information?
> > 401K contribution?
> > Income tax deduction?
> > List of dependents?
> > Emergency contact information?
> > Life insurance beneficiary?
> > Address?
> > Phone #(s)?
> >
> > Rob Berendt
> > --
> > Group Dekko Services, LLC
> > Dept 01.073
> > PO Box 2000
> > Dock 108
> > 6928N 400E
> > Kendallville, IN 46755
> > http://www.dekko.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Our HR/Payroll Department is considering moving from our current
> System
> > i Software Vendor to a more Employee Self Service/Web Enabled
Product.
> > Our current System i Vendor offers the Employee Self Service/Web
> Enabled
> > Product but at a much Larger Cost. HR/Payroll would rather switch
than
> > pay this cost. Does anyone have any suggestions on a lower cost
> > HR/Payroll Application on the System i with the Employee Self
> > Service/Web Enabled features? Other wise it's another application
loss
> > off of our System i and this does not bode well for me; the System i
> > Administrator/Application Guy.
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