Re: Is Insourcing the Next Phase?

["SJL" <sjl_abc@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Frankly, Dave, I think you're full of horse sh*t...you've got my blood flowing now.

As I see it (and I was in the thick of it at Emerson), the American programmers that are 
left in the organization are actually the ones that are fixing the sh*tty code coming back 
from offshore.

The same is (was) true here at my current client (well, until they fired the offshore 
Indian firm last month).

We may be seemingly overpriced, but the stuff that highly experienced, capable American 
programmers produce is much higher quality that that produced by the offshore programmers 
(at least that of those I that I have seen), and it is not that they are not capable, it 
is just that they need DETAILED specifications to produce the code, and most companies 
don't do the necessary up-front documentation to get good code from offshore.

Face it:  Eighty percent of the work in developing a system is involved in doing the 
analysis and design, and twenty percent in coding, and you can't necessarily let people 
12,000 miles away do all of the analysis and design work.  The trade-off is numerous 
iterations of QC until they get it right.

And one more thing - the average number of years' experience for the offshore guys is 
low - most these guys are in their early 20's and learning on the job.  I'd guess that 
none of the offshore 'programmers' have more than two years' experience.

JMHO,
- sjl
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Odom" <Dave.Odom@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Is Insourcing the Next Phase?


> I'm a believer in TCO and I think the guy at Emerson is as well and is telling you --  
> Americans are TOOOOOOOOO expensive for what they produce, ESPECIALLY if a union is 
> involved, even with the extra iterations, slippages, etc.   American workers have been 
> SPOILED and been pricing themselves out of the market place, for too long.
>
> If you fear India, wait until other HUNGRY and SMART nations get in the mix, like China, 
> Russia, the former Soviet Union states, South American countries, and more.   Americans 
> wake up, you and your unions are screwing you AND this country.     Oh, I feel better 
> now.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> David Odom
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