Roger,
 
  Sorry about the confusion!  Jerry is correct that the PTFs are not 
included they are shipped automatically.  When you order electronically 
you don't get a nice obvious set of labeled images showing which are which 
but if you mount them into a virtual DVD drive you can look at the volumes 
and figure out which is which.  I have asked that they give an option to 
NOT do this because I frequently download more recent HIPER and DB groups 
and use them with a previously downloaded CUME. As a result I need to 
figure out which of the images are previous HIPER and DB groups so that I 
don't bother uploading those to the customer's machine and wasting time 
applying them so that I can apply a newer one on top of them..... 
  So you know, the logic of including them is that virtually everyone who 
ordered a cume would also order a DB and HIPER at the same time so why not 
save everyone time and effort...!
    - Larry
 
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   OK.  That makes more sense.
   So from an ordering perspective, when you order only the cumulative 
package, then from a delivery perspective, you receive additionally both 
the HIPer and DB /groups/.  The additional /groups/ are delivered even 
though they were not ordered.  A download is an effective equivalent to 
ordering.  Got it.
Regards, Chuck
Jerry Adams wrote:
Perhaps the correct terminology would have been, "the HIPERs and DB 
Groups are automatically included /with/ the CUME when downloaded"
not to imply that they are an integral part of the CUME itself. I
don't know where the documentation is, but I just downloaded the CUME
last week from Fix Central; all that I actually selected was the
CUME, but the HIPER and DB Group came with it. In fact, if one tries
to select other groups with the CUME F/C says, "Can't do that."
I also know that the level on my DB group changed after I applied the
PTF's (PTF menu option #12).
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