RE: Does this tick you off?

["Don Cavaiani" <dcavaiani@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Good answer - he must be VERY CAREFUL!!  I know he is what you call a
type/style "green" - where you ALWAYS have all your ducks in a row
BEFORE making any moves!! 

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:02 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Does this tick you off?

Not enough times to change over the last 20 years...

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Mike <koldark@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> How many times has he lost data due to those Excel sheets? I have seen

> some so big, they are very prone to corruption.
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> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Don Cavaiani
<dcavaiani@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> > Jim, you know what - that's just what the problem is:
> >
> > These users are not able to "put down on paper and/or verbalize" 
> > their needs to the point where I would then be able to analyze and 
> > design an integrated system which would meet "THOSE NEEDS".
> >
> > So, it seems like to me that the users are going out to these vendors

> > to ask them how to run their business, and of course, these vendors 
> > have no idea how our business runs or should be run.  But, of course,

> > they do have some fancy looking, Windows or Browser based, colorful 
> > apps with which they will wow these users.
> >
> > How many times will this approach actually result in satisfying what 
> > the customer really needed in the first place??
> >
> > I sit here ready with my LANSA and Net.Data with my "mouth dripping" 
> > to get into this type of project.  I have done all I can to get their

> > attention, including letting the CEO know how I feel.  In this case, 
> > there is a Manufacturing Engineer who heads the project, and he has 
> > shared with me that every project he has worked on or been involved 
> > in in the past 20 years has been fully implemented using EXCEL 
> > spreadsheets!  That is a big part of his job, and he loves doing it.

> > It is a different culture out there now.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Franz
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:30 AM
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > Subject: Re: Does this tick you off?
> >
> > Does a native or client server app exist for the i that fulfills the 
> > user requirements?
> > jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Cavaiani" <dcavaiani@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <bpcs-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:21 AM
> > Subject: Does this tick you off?
> >
> >
> > > We have some users who have gone looking for some outside Windows 
> > > software which does scheduling for a Manufacturing plant.
> > >
> > > I know what will happen if they go this route - I will spend much
> > "boring"
> > > time building BPCS interfaces to and from this package, and our 
> > > company may just end up wasting a lot of cash - as we request 
> > > modifications to fit our specific needs.
> > >
> > > Ticks me off - they bring in these vendors and are wowed by "drag 
> > > and drop" interfaces!  Hard to get across to them how little that 
> > > interface really has to do with the business logic, formulas and 
> > > databases which must be referenced behind the scenes to build 
> > > effective integrated systems!
> > >
> > > That company is Tuppas Software.  If anyone knows anything about 
> > > them,
> >
> > > please email me offline.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Don C.
> > >
> > > Don F. Cavaiani
> > > IT Manager
> > > Amerequip Corp.
> > > 920-894-7063
> > >
> > > "It's amazing what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets 
> > > the credit."  Harry S. Truman
> > >
> > >
> > >
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