Well I for one would have to say that Joe has rung the bell with this one. 
I give him 'three dings!'
Recently one of our customer was purchased and moved off the i to a PC 
package. It was a decree not a discussion and they were simply told: "It 
does everything you need so shut up and go back to work." Well they found 
out at go-live that it doesn't. For example you can only ship to each 
customer once per day. That's a problem and the solution from IT is "Learn 
how to work with it."  The software is now running the company. Their IT 
is now "Low Cost" and the entire rest of the company is paying for it.
In one of Bob Tipton's books he discusses the two extremes of the spectrum 
for IT folks, Low cost and High Value - You pick. IT is either a necessary 
expense or competitive advantage. It appears that the majority of windows 
type shops are aiming low while the i shops are going for value. In my 
opinion it's the high value people that will survive. 
 - Larry
 
Larry Bolhuis                   IBM Certified Advanced Technical Expert - 
System i Solutions
Vice President                  IBM Certified Systems Expert:
Arbor Solutions, Inc.              System i Technical Design and 
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Adam West wrote:
Another post was about the Windows envirnonment not being good for a 
business ERP. I would like to see more details on that. What we are being 
told that everything is just peachy in windows. I would need evidence to 
the contrary to help save the i installation.
I've been avoiding this discussion because it is very much an opinion 
discussion, and in many ways I think it belongs in the midrange-nontech 
list; we're talking about things like look and feel and application 
features, neither of which really has anything to do with technology. 
Your question itself underscores the point: you're told that everything 
is "just peachy", which is a term rarely used to describe the technical 
capabilities of a system.
That being said, I thought I'd weigh in here with my observation.  The 
truth is that, for a certain segment of the business community, a PC is 
a better choice than an i.  <GASP!>  But if you think about it, that's 
got to be the case - just as the converse is true: for a certain segment 
the i is a better choice.  The goal, then, is not to try to identify 
using abstract measurements which system is "better" than the other, but 
instead to find out which one is better for your particular business.
And to me, the biggest question is a fundamental one: do you need to 
modify your software?  This is a question that is almost completely 
overlooked nowadays just as it was in the 80s and early 90s, although 
for the exact opposite reason.  These days, with the exception of open 
source software, almost no packaged software comes with source code. 
Either it has the features you want or you live with it; nobody would 
even *think* of trying to modify Excel to act ... well, correctly 
<grin>.  On the other hand, when I was but a brash young "ute" (cf. 
"youth", see "My Cousing Vinnie") in the industry, nobody would think of 
buying ERP-level software that *didn't* come with source.  That's 
because almost immediately you were busy modifying things like invoices 
and order acknowledgments, and changing how pricing worked. Ah, times 
have changed.
Anyway, if you don't need to modify your software, it's almost a given 
that you can find a package for Windows that will be "cheaper" than the 
same package on the i (for the purposes of this particular post, I'll 
forego the Total Cost of Ownership argument and just stipulate to the 
initial cost benefit of Windows software).  However, that means that you 
have to run your business within the strictures of that software.  It's 
impossible to estimate how many companies have modified their processes 
to live within the constraints of their software, but there are a lot of 
them.  And that's completely bass-ackwards to what I was brought up 
with: in my day, software was not only a tool, it was a differentiator. 
Having the best software meant you had better inventory control; or more 
flexible pricing schemes or more accurate forecasting.  You lose that 
with packaged software: if you're running your business using the same 
software as your competitor, then what exactly is the competitive 
advantage of your software?
So there, then, is the fundamental issue.  Do you build your business 
around your software, or do you build your software to help your business?
If it's the former, buy Peachtree accounting or Microsoft's business 
packages.  But if you want software that gives you a unique competitive 
advantage over your competition, then you need semi-custom software that 
captures and builds upon your business rules.  And for that, there's 
simply no better language than RPG.  (I've got a standing bet with 
anyone in the entire computer programming industry: sit down with me and 
a couple of real users and put together specifications for a custom MRP 
generation system.  We write the code in the language(s) of our choice. 
I'll use RPG on the i, and I'll be done first.  Nobody has ever taken me 
up on it.)
We've lost sight of that.  There are no semi-custom applications.  Open 
source may come close, I suppose, but the only attempts I've ever seen 
at that are in Java, and despite the inevitable hate mail I get for 
saying this, it's a horrible language for writing business logic.  The 
other way companies attempt it is by having lots and lots of switches, a 
la the SAP model, but then you have to learn all their switches and 
inevitably you run up against a situation where they don't have a switch 
you need.
Anyway, this might all be moot.  It's possible that businesses have 
forgotten about the concept of using IT as a competitive advantage.  The 
closest they come now is having the flashiest web framework, but 
honestly the core of most businesses is not their web site.  As much as 
I love EGL and the ease in which I can build great looking web stuff, I 
still think that the core business logic is what differentiates a 
company, and the only way to build that is with RPG.
So -- long, long response which doesn't really have an answer.  But if 
your company can be reminded that IT is not only a way to do things 
faster, but also a way to do things that your competitors *can't*, then 
I think that the i still has a chance.
Joe
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