Re: Databorough X-Analysis -- MIDRANGE-L

Stuart

Your tone sucks. If this is the best you can do then "yes" shut your
mouth until you can speak in a civil way. My opinion of X-Analysis just
dropped way down listening you. If you were trying to sell it, you
certainly failed. If this is an example of who I would have to deal with
at Databorough then count me out..

Jim Horn

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1. Re: Webquery users? (fbocch2595@xxxxxxx)
2. AEM or Active Energy Manager - How does this play in an i
world? (rob@xxxxxxxxx)
3. Databorough X-Analysis (Stuart Milligan)
4. RE: Midrange.com (Stuart Milligan)
5. Re: Input Power Range for an EXP12s (ie FC5886 )? (Kirk Goins)
6. Re: Databorough X-Analysis (Buck)
7. Re: Databorough X-Analysis (Buck)
8. Re: Databorough X-Analysis (David Gibbs)
9. Re: AEM or Active Energy Manager - How does this play in an i
world? (Lukas Beeler)
10. Re: Databorough X-Analysis (Michael Ryan)

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message: 1
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:40:34 -0500
from: fbocch2595@xxxxxxx
subject: Re: Webquery users?

Must the webquery licpgm's be on my system in order to run databorough
and/or mrc products?
Thanks

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From: Stuart Milligan <stuartm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 6:58 am
Subject: Webquery users?

In conjunction with IBM & IBI, Databorough built a product called
X-WebQuery
hat extracts meta data - including relational information from implicit
esigns in RPG COBOL or the SYNOIN model. It build's this entire
meta-data
odel in WebQuery of an entire system or application area. The tool also
uilds a drill down set of queries using the recovered relational model
in
ebQuery

Here is the link for more info:

[2]http://www.databorough.com/products/IBM-DB2-Webquery-Meta-Data.html

I hope this helps.

Stuart Milligan
Tel: 917 267 7523
Toll Free: 800 605 5023 ext 81
Fax: 866 266 3165
web: www.databorough.com

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message: 2
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:46:40 -0500
from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
subject: AEM or Active Energy Manager - How does this play in an i
world?

Guess I'll have to watch the webcast on Tuesday February 23 to get any
details but I was wondering how AEM or Active Energy Manager plays in an
i
world.
[5]http://www.common.org/webcasts/
Boss is talking about upgrading our PDU's to play with this team. Is
this
just for monitoring purposes or does it act like an electric water
heater
in the US? Where the electric company can send a message down the power
line to shutdown electric water heaters during times of peak
consumption.

I can understand how individual equipment can be tuned for this. For
example, if the temperature is not that high then why spin fan motors so
high (or even spin all of them)? But how can a PDU help (other than
monitor)? Shut down the hardware? Give it a "brown out"?

Although having PDU's that I can remotely turn off/on sounds cool,
especially for a bank of modems that I often have to power cycle. Just
have to make sure that alternative equipment is not plugged in, or,
perhaps I can power cycle by outlet on the pdu.

Rob Berendt
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message: 3
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:52:18 -0500
from: "Stuart Milligan" <stuartm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Databorough X-Analysis

Terry,

No mention of silver bullets in my comments by statement or implication
-
that's your own imagination at work there. None of the X-Analysis users
that
I know worldwide would ever describe it as a silver bullet either. I am
certain that the vast majority would vehemently disagree with David
though.

Pete asked a specific question about X-Analysis. David then saw fit to
answer the question with zero experience or real knowledge about
X-Analysis.
In my book that's not helpful, but pointless really. In the process of
acquiring a certain amount of grey in my own beard, I have learnt it's
better to offer advice from a position of actual experience or real
knowledge, and in the absence of either, remain silent.

Would you rather I shut my mouth about David's ill founded opinion just
because he is an incredibly hard working, dedicated individual who
provides
an invaluable service to the community as a whole? If you do then here
is a
useful reference for you:

[7]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes

Kind regards,

Stuart Milligan

Tel: 917 267 7523

Toll Free: 800 605 5023 ext 81

Fax: 866 266 3165

web: www.databorough.com

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message: 4
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:55:40 -0500
from: "Stuart Milligan" <stuartm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Midrange.com

Hello Jon. The email to send your thoughts to is:

midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx

the subject should be: Databorough X-Analysis

I would be interested to see what your thoughts and comments are myself.

thanks and regards

Stuart Milligan

Tel: 917 267 7523

Toll Free: 800 605 5023 ext 81

Fax: 866 266 3165

web: www.databorough.com

From: Jon Everton [[8]mailto:jon.everton@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: February-22-10 11:35 AM
To: 'Stuart Milligan'
Subject: RE: Midrange.com

I was not a member of midrange-l, I have joined in order to remark,
please
forward an appropriate email to respond to.

Thanks,

Jon Everton, System i Developer

Vertex Business Services

1001 Disk Dr, Suite 100, Bend OR 97702

T: +1 800 338 8233 x1043? www.vertexgroup.com/na

From: Stuart Milligan [[9]mailto:stuartm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 6:00 AM
To: Jon Everton
Subject: Midrange.com

Hi Jon,

I was wondering if you ever use midrange.com . there is a thread there
that
you might have an opinion on:

[10]http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l/201002/msg01245.html

if you don't, can't or won't, no worries.

regards

Stuart Milligan

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message: 5
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:59:54 -0900
from: Kirk Goins <kirkgoins@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Input Power Range for an EXP12s (ie FC5886 )?

Thank you everyone

On 2/22/10, rob@xxxxxxxxx <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> There's a tag on the back that says:
> 100-240V
> 5.4 - 2.3a
> 50/60 hz
>
>
> Rob Berendt
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>
>
>
>
>
> From: Kirk Goins <kirkgoins@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Midrange-L <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 02/21/2010 08:47 PM
> Subject: Input Power Range for an EXP12s (ie FC5886 )?
> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> Ok, I can't get to anyone ( at least not yet ) at Rochester to
POSITIVELY
> confirm or deny that the EXP12s can or won't run on 110vac. When we
> originally config'd this system back in June 09 the HW Infocenter
stated
> the 5886 could run 100-240vac 50-60hz. The current on-line version now
> says
> 200-240vac IBM's eConfig will let me config 110 power cords, but I'm
not
> sure it really cares.The list goes on depending on who I talk to as
> whether
> or not this thing will run on 110vac
>
> Can some who physically has access to an EXP12s go look and the darn
power
> tag and see what it says? This is ridiculous...
>
> Thanks I'll someone lunch, a six pack or something
>
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message: 6
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:06:15 -0500
from: Buck <kc2hiz@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Databorough X-Analysis

On 2/20/2010 4:02 PM, Pete Hall wrote:
> I've got sort of a mess, and I'm wondering if X-Analysis would help.
> Anyone have experience with it? I'd welcome your opinion.
>
> I've got a large, pasta infested, monolithic RPG program with no user
> interface. It develops data for other programs. It's been improved to
> the point where it's just not maintainable anymore. I need to rewrite
it
> as a series of service programs, and I'm going nuts trying to extract
> the business rules.

I've used X-Analysis. I don't see how it's going to reveal all the
business rules. Here are some examples of business rules:

custno chain credithold
if not %found()...

-load libl into array-
for i = 1 to maxLibs
lib(x) lookup testLibraryTable
if %found() propagate = *off
endfor
...
100 lines later
...
if propagate
call copyTransactionToTest
endif

if *in20 = *on
// display field for 'special attention' is set
call thisCustomerNeedsSpecialAttention
endif

--buck

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message: 7
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:16:36 -0500
from: Buck <kc2hiz@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Databorough X-Analysis

On 2/22/2010 11:52 AM, Stuart Milligan wrote:

> I know worldwide would ever describe it as a silver bullet either. I
am
> certain that the vast majority would vehemently disagree with David
though.

I've used X-Analysis in the past and don't see how it can answer Pete's
question. I do have an open mind though - X-Analysis might have a new
AI module I didn't have the opportunity to use.

Please post the X-Analysis report that will show which of these lines of
code taken from a nasty monolithic spaghetti-code RPG program implements
a business rule:

key chain file1 80
key chain file2 80
key setll file3 80
dow
key reade file3 80
write sfl
enddo

--buck

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message: 8
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:26:51 -1000
from: David Gibbs <david@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Databorough X-Analysis

On 2/22/2010 2:28 AM, Stuart Milligan wrote:
> I realize that in his role as this site's administrator, Mr Gibbs
feels he
> has license to provide advice even in the absence of any real
knowledge, but
> pay no heed to such rubbish. Given that David has never used
X-Analysis its
> no surprise that he has a limited ability to make any realistic
> recommendation.

Stuart:

I was not referring to X-Analysis specifically ... I was referring to
code analysis tools IN GENERAL.

I'm sure X-Analysis can provide useful information about applications
... but it can only be a tool and that the ONLY way to truly understand
code is to analyze it with your eyeballs and brain.

I've tried similar tools in the past and found (at least for me) that
they are most useful once you have a general understanding of the
application.

david

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message: 9
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:45:39 +0100
from: Lukas Beeler <lukas.beeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: AEM or Active Energy Manager - How does this play in an i
world?

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 17:46, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Boss is talking about upgrading our PDU's to play with this team. ?Is
this
> just for monitoring purposes or does it act like an electric water
heater
> in the US? ?Where the electric company can send a message down the
power
> line to shutdown electric water heaters during times of peak
consumption.

They monitor and can shut down individual ports.

> I can understand how individual equipment can be tuned for this. ?For
> example, if the temperature is not that high then why spin fan motors
so
> high (or even spin all of them)? ?But how can a PDU help (other than
> monitor)? ?Shut down the hardware? ?Give it a "brown out"?

Intelligent PDUs can enable a truly scalable datacenter (if you're
scaling horizontally), however this is mostly uninteresting for IBM i
customers, since they scale vertically.

For example, let's assume you run facebook.com - you need 1000 web
servers to serve all the access from the US and Europe during a 16h
period, however Asia doesn't use Facebook that much, so you could
power down 500 Web servers during an 8h period.

> Although having PDU's that I can remotely turn off/on sounds cool,
> especially for a bank of modems that I often have to power cycle.
?Just
> have to make sure that alternative equipment is not plugged in, or,
> perhaps I can power cycle by outlet on the pdu.

For modems, it may be a lot cheaper to purchase an IP-enabled
powerstrip, rather than an IBM-branded Intelligent PDU.

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message: 10
date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:46:18 -0500
from: Michael Ryan <michaelrtr@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Databorough X-Analysis

That looks like the "Programmer Continuing Employment" business rule.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Buck <kc2hiz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 2/22/2010 11:52 AM, Stuart Milligan wrote:
>
> > I know worldwide would ever describe it as a silver bullet either. I
am
> > certain that the vast majority would vehemently disagree with David
> though.
>
> I've used X-Analysis in the past and don't see how it can answer
Pete's
> question. I do have an open mind though - X-Analysis might have a new
> AI module I didn't have the opportunity to use.
>
> Please post the X-Analysis report that will show which of these lines
of
> code taken from a nasty monolithic spaghetti-code RPG program
implements
> a business rule:
>
> key chain file1 80
> key chain file2 80
> key setll file3 80
> dow
> key reade file3 80
> write sfl
> enddo
>
> --buck
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