Re: vim on POWER specifically IBM i -- MIDRANGE-L

Has bullfreeware.com improved?

Back when AIXPDSLIB (which was fantastic) shut down, everyone seemed to be saying "use bullfreeware.com". And I think they only said that because the AIXPDSLIB page pointed to it as a "replacement".

But I would look at it and all of the stuff on bullfreeware was like 10-15 years out of date, and the place had a very small selection, and frankly it was terrible.

But that was a few years ago. Maybe they've gotten better??

Anyway, I eventually found a full archive of AIXPDSLIB here...
http://www.computer-refuge.org/classiccmp/aixpdslib/pub/

On 4/14/2011 12:45 AM, Vern Hamberg wrote:

Jim

If you were to get the developer tools - QAPTL is the library - you
could use emacs - I think the product or PRPQ code is 5733-PTL - can be
downloaded, as I recall.. Lots of interesting stuff in there, some based
on the ATK stuff IBM has, so far as I can tell. There's even a VNC server.

I have to ask Jack, where else are you going to put RPMs than in the
IFS? You can't put them into libraries on i, right? Or have I completely
misunderstood your question?

We use some AIX binaries in our products - they were available out of
Los Angeles, I believe, somewhere. I just looked with google and find a
site - www.bullfreeware.com - seems I remember some discussion in these
forum of issues with the binaries there.

Vern

On 4/13/2011 8:43 AM, Jim Oberholtzer wrote:

Jack,

Benefits of some of them are there is no native IBM i way (or easy way)
to do some of the things you can do. For instance, if all you have is
an SSH or TELNET connection to the box, it is really hard to edit files
in the IFS. The native IFS editor just plain sucks wind. VIM on the
other hand, is an excellent editor. Furthermore anyone with a Unix
background is likely to be able to use it without much in the way of help.

Other examples are zip, cvs, Perl etc. These are tools Unix folks use
on a regular basis (I'm in VIM at least once a day) and if they are
available on the IBM i , it makes that platform more attractive to the
Unix crowd.

Just in working with the MySQL installation on one of the COMMON Lab
boxes has been made easy with VIM, hard with IBM i native stuff.....
Need to do a fast tweek to a PHP script, VIM is the way to do it if you
don't have Zend Studio loaded up, and connected.

Certainly the list of available RPMs ( I found a neat list here:
http://www.perzl.org/aix/ ) has many items that are not worth the work
(bash for instance) but there are some real gems in there too.

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

On 4/13/2011 8:08 AM, Jack Kingsley wrote:

Sorry, will not be able to go, I am trying to understand the benefits of
having the RPM's in the IFS??

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Jim Oberholtzer<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

I'm not an expert at RPM in any way, but if you follow the instructions
given by Brian at the Yips site (hosted by idevcloud.com ) it seems to
work the same way as the Linux one does, at least in my CentOS version.
I had VIM up and running on one of the COMMON lab machines in no more
than 10 minutes including downloads.

If your going to COMMON Annual Meeting, I'll be at ask the experts near
the Yips table to discuss my findings. Brian's the expert, but I gained
some insight into the process while doing it.

(BTW: Early bird discount for COMMON MSP has been extended a few days!)

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

On 4/13/2011 7:19 AM, Jack Kingsley wrote:

> Jim, is this the same RPM as in linux??
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Jim Oberholtzer<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx
>wrote:
>

>> > Presumably they would wind up in the IFS yes.
>> >
>> > I'll have a look at the link below...
>> >
>> > Jim Oberholtzer
>> > Chief Technical Architect
>> > Agile Technology Architects
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/12/2011 12:58 PM, Jack Kingsley wrote:

>>> > > Jim, you want these in the IFS then??
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:38 AM,<BMay@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > >

>>>>> > >> > Jim,
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Look at the instructions on the YiPs wiki:
>>>>> > >> >

http://www.youngiprofessionals.com/wiki/PASE/OpenSourceBinaries

>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Once you get the RPM scripts set up and install the

Package Manager,

>> > you

>>>>> > >> > will find the vim-common, vim-enhanced, vim-minimal, and

vim-X11

>> > binaries

>>>>> > >> > in the GetXedit group under editors.
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > HTH,
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Brian May
>>>>> > >> > Project Lead
>>>>> > >> > Management Information Systems
>>>>> > >> > Garan, Incorporated
>>>>> > >> > Starkville, Mississippi
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Jim Oberholtzer<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> > >> > Sentby:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx

>>>>> > >> > 04/12/2011 07:52 AM

>>>>> > >> > Please respond to
>>>>> > >> > Midrange Systems Technical Discussion<

midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > To
>>>>> > >> > Midrange Systems Technical Discussion<

midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

>>>>> > >> > cc
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Subject
>>>>> > >> > vim on POWER specifically IBM i
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Folks:
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > I have been searching for a binary install so I can run

vim editor

>> > from

>>>>> > >> > an ssh session (putty) on IBM i. Upon searching the

internet there

>> > are

>>>>> > >> > lots of hits for AIX but I have yet to find a place where

PASE

>>>>> > >> > compatible binaries are found.
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Any ideas?
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > (on a quest to get real unix bitheads to like the IBM i

platform.....

>>>>> > >> > this seems to be one of the biggest roadblocks)
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > --
>>>>> > >> > Jim Oberholtzer
>>>>> > >> > Chief Technical Architect
>>>>> > >> > Agile Technology Architects
>>>>> > >> >