Re: Power: Was: Classes for IBMi/iSeries?

We're currently replacing WebSphere-on-Windows-on-Intel with
WebSphere-on-AIX-on-Power7. This is the user front end to JDPeopOracle
EnterpriseOne; the back end is on IBM i 6.1 on Power 5+. The new
environment is a pair of 720s for redundancy, each with multiple AIX LPARs
and each LPAR running multiple WebSphere instances. Redundant VIOS LPARs
will manage the resources on each 720. Toss in a new HMC since our current
one is too old to manage the new systems.

For 2012 we'll be looking at the Power5+ production and Power5 BC/DR
systems. My guess at this time is we'll wind up with a 750 for each.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Ketzes, Larry <Larry.Ketzes@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

Dennis,
The Power systems from my old company that consolidated the 1,800
systems are dedicated to I as far as I know. The systems at my current
company overseas are all using the I OS on the Power System. A couple in
the state are a combination of I and AIX. Bottom line, is although a
combination of AIX and I, mostly I worldwide.

Larry

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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Power: Was: Classes for IBMi/iSeries?

That's good to hear, Larry. I should clarify that when I referred to
footprint, I didn't mean in terms of number of units - in this
virtualization world, that's meaningless; I meant instead number of
businesses on the platform - or that use it in some way.

Glad to hear about the move from Intel, but at the same time, I wonder how
those Power systems are used, and on which O/S. Just a curiosity for me; I
am sure it is a number I'll never see.

Thanks for the _sane_ response! I truly appreciate that!
++
Dennis
++
"The best way to get on in the world is to make people believe it's to
their advantage to help you."
-- Jean de La Bruyre



Sent from my Galaxy tablet phone. Please excuse my brevity.
For any grammatic/spelling errors, there is no excuse.
++


"Ketzes, Larry" <Larry.Ketzes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dennis,
I'm sorry to hear about another company leaving the i. However, I

am

aware of companies that have left the Intel world for core applications
and migrated to the I or Power platform. Dr. Soltis told a great story
about Google UK ditching hundreds of Intel servers for 1 i. Steve Will
also mentioned many companies in his presentation last week at DVCUG
that have migrated 'to' the Power platform from the Intel world.
Not sure how many are doing this, don't want to sound like I have

rose

colored glasses or anything, but there are several ways to look at
this.
The footprint may be diminishing if you look only at pieces of
hardware. But that does not necessarily mean the presence is any less
intense. My old company had over 1,800 little AS/400 systems all over
the country, and they now only have 2 or 3 large ones. Does that mean
our OS lost all of that. Of course not, but consolidation skews the
numbers. They are no less dedicated to the platform than 10 years ago.
My current company will be consolidating over 50 iSeries systems

into

4 Power systems. No less dedicated to the platform though, but the
numbers go down.

Thanks, Larry

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Lovelady
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:48 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Power: Was: Classes for IBMi/iSeries?

My, such language.

My current job is to eliminate three more System i units from the face
of
the earth, and one more significant company irrevocably off of the i
platform. And guess who's driving the bulk of the migration? Hint, it
isn't my old partner-in-crime, Accenture, who have a whole set of
methodologies for that effort.) No, it is our good friend IBM, whose
concern for the platform would seem dubious at best. One could argue
the
same of me in this situation, I suppose. (Gasp! A traitor in the
midst!) So
be it; doesn't make the point any less valid.

Of course, IBM won't announce numbers, but from my observations, the i
(referring to the OS and family here) footprint is fading, and has been
for
many, many years. (How many here have been involved in the migration
*to*
the i platform? Personally, I've never heard of even one....) And
that's a
shame; I hope my observation is incorrect.

Dennis Lovelady
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dennislovelady
--
MIAMI MAN ADMITS TAKING HIS OWN LIFE
-- headline from the Orlando (Florida) Sentinel

BULLSHIT.

Pure bullshit.

Power is the hardware. I wish I could share with everyone how much

revenue

that IBM I contributes to Power. Suffice it to say, IBM i is adding

money
not

just to Power, but to the entire IBM corporation. IBM I has been

extremely

profitable, and the revenue generated from IBM I is noticed within

the
entire

Power organization, if not the entire IBM organization. For those of

us
who

run IBM I, there are future plans going out many many years (sorry, I

can't

get into details), do not believe the FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and

Doubt)
that

AIX is the only operating system that IBM cares about (or that the

Power

people care about). Is AIX important to IBM, you bet it is. Is IBM I
important to IBM, you bet it is. If IBM I wasn't in the picture, the

Earning

per Share of IBM stock would be affected.

It annoys me to no end when people try to spread the FUD around, that

IBM
only

cares about AIX. Yes, IBM has screwed up the marketing of the naming

of
IBM I

(the old OS/400), but you can cry about it just like you can cry

about the
new

layout of Facebook.

For those people who have nothing good to say about IBM I, I say

leave the

platform and see if you can find something 1/2 as good. For those

remaining,

this is your community. This is your livelihood. Make constructive

criticism.

Don't argue about what could have been, should have been, and names.

If
you

want something there are avenues to get enhancements, new features,

etc.
I

know the COMMON CAAC & the Large User Group have put forth quite a

lot of

requirements for i5/OS at the time, and something like over 65% have

made
it

into IBM i. This is due to the fact that Steve Will and his team are
listening and working with our community. They have done a great

job

determining which features and functions provide the most value, and

putting

those into the various releases. Do we get everything, no, but we

sure
got

some great stuff in these last few releases.

If I have hurt anyone's feelings, that wasn't the intension. Don, you

were
the

straw that broke the camel's back. If all we concentrate on is the

negative,

then when people outside of IBM I Google on these discussions, they

are
going

to feel and believe that the machine is not moving forward, when that

isn't

the case. Promote the platform that you work on, tell others how

good the

machine is, don't just tell each other on this list, go out and tell

people

about Watson, and that is the same platform that you run your

business on.
Is

it the same OS, NO, but it is the exact same Power platform.

Pete

--
Pete Massiello
iTech Solutions
www.itechsol.com




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On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Classes for IBMi/iSeries?



Dennis,

The things that you're as WELL AWARE of as many of the rest of us

include:

1. This o/s is known (thanks to IBM ineptness) by many names, and

these
names

are ACCEPTED BY INDUSTRY when talking about the broad category of

systems
that

run OS/400, uh, I mean i/os, un, I mean..... All of us (with one or

2

exceptions) generally seem to understand what the others are talking

about.

2. Also as I believe you're well aware of, when IBM says "POWER"

they're

specifically referring and wanting you to be running AIX. To IBM,

os/400(or

whatever) is and has been just another add on legacy (THEIR TERMS)

o/s.

Keep in mind that AIX, is just another mutation of UNIX - BOTH

operating

environments which have been around for as long or longer than CPF or

OS/400

- yet for some reason IBM hasn't decided to morph their names along

with
the

seasons... Ever wonder why?

OK, back to our naps...I'm sure trevor will have some retort but I'm

sure
my

spam filter is still working... :)



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