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QAUTOVRT was the value I had in mind, and that's a stab in the obscure
but it has happened.
Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects
On 2/6/2012 12:49 PM, John McKee wrote:
> Autoconfig is off. I did, however, try deleting and recreating the
> device description. Had wild notion that the device that works was
> using a different device type than the c0 device. Nope. Both are
> 3179 model 2.
>
> Not sure what system value you are referring to, for max virtual
> devices. Would seem odd to me that these new devices are the only
> ones with issues, though..
>
> Subsystems BINTER and BINTER2 were preexisting. The signon display
> file is in QGPL and is named QDSIGN01.
>
> Is it possible that an exit point is involved? I looked at a number
> of them, but didn't see any that I could associate with this issue.
> That was based solely on the description.
>
> John McKee
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Jim Oberholtzer<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Hmm.... Sounds like most of the bases are covered.
>> >
>> > For grins, if you can delete the device description, and then have it
>> > recreate when the telnet session re-connects, (assuming autoconfig is
>> > turned on) see if that helps. Alternatively you could retrieve the
>> > CL source for the device. Delete the device and use the CL to recreate it.
>> >
>> > While your at it, check the system value to see if there is a large
>> > enough number for the virtual devices set. I wonder if you are just
>> > bumping into the limit.
>> >
>> > You don't show what library the DDS is in. The Job description is fully
>> > qualified, (good in this case) is the DDS for the signon screen?
>> >
>> > Jim Oberholtzer
>> > Chief Technical Architect
>> > Agile Technology Architects
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/6/2012 12:13 PM, John McKee wrote:
>>> >> Subsystem BINTER has *ALL entry.
>>> >>
>>> >> Job Description BSYOBJ1/BINTER
>>> >> Maximum active jobs - *NOMAX
>>> >> Control job at - *SIGNON
>>> >>
>>> >> Signon screen is customized. All other workstations are able to sign on.
>>> >>
>>> >> No work station entry of *CONS in either subsystem.
>>> >>
>>> >> John McKee
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Jim Oberholtzer<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> >>> > Bob might be right. The cursor in the upper left hand corner means the
>>>>> >>> > system is communicating with the device (usually anyway) so really it's
>>>>> >>> > waiting for a subsystem to allocate it to provide a sign on screen.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Some more obscure things to check:
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Is the signon screen DDS the default provided by IBM ? If not is it in
>>>>> >>> > the system portion of the library list so the subsystem can find it?
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Is there a workstation type entry for *ALL? What are it's attributes?
>>>>> >>> > Most will will job description *USRPRF, Maximum active jobs at *NOMAX,
>>>>> >>> > and control job at *SIGNON. (the workstation entry can override the
>>>>> >>> > last setting)
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Is there a workstation type entry for *CONS? It should match the *ALL
>>>>> >>> > entry with the exception that control jobs at should be *ENTER.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > It sounds like a workstation type issue at this point, assuming the vary
>>>>> >>> > on is not the problem.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Jim Oberholtzer
>>>>> >>> > Chief Technical Architect
>>>>> >>> > Agile Technology Architects
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > On 2/6/2012 11:03 AM, Bob P. Roche wrote:
>>>>> >>> > -->>>>>>> >>>> >> Vary them back on?
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> From:
>>>>>>> >>>> >> John McKee<jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> To:
>>>>>>> >>>> >> Midrange Systems Technical Discussion<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> Date:
>>>>>>> >>>> >> 02/06/2012 11:01 AM
>>>>>>> >>>> >> Subject:
>>>>>>> >>>> >> Re: Device names and interactive subsystem descriptions
>>>>>>> >>>> >> Sent by:
>>>>>>> >>>> >> midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> OK, I varied off a device. Then removed the WSE fro both subsystems.
>>>>>>> >>>> >> Added the entry back, to both with *SIGNON.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> Result is that the cursor is in the upper left corner on the display.
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> What else am I missing?
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> John McKee
>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Jim Oberholtzer<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>> >> device.>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > The subsystem where the entry is set to *SIGNON should allocate the
>>>>>>> >>>> >> workstation to be allocated to and *ENTER is used to allow TFRJOB to>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Verify that you do not have a workstation TYPE entry that is getting in
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > the way somehow. I think that's option 5 on the WRKSBSD screen.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Consider trying:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > As Scott suggests, change all the workstation entries to *ENTER
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Vary the suspect devices off.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Change the workstation entries you want to allocate the devices back to
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > *SIGNON
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Vary the devices back on, start with one at a time.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Verify they get allocated by the correct subsystem.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > If they do not chances are the workstation name entry on the telnet
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > session is not set correctly, the workstation type is not what your
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > expecting, or the device is damaged, in which case it should just be
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > deleted and let the system recreate it.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Jim Oberholtzer
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Chief Technical Architect
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Agile Technology Architects
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > On 2/6/2012 10:32 AM, Ingvaldson, Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> IIRC *SIGNON should be used for the primary subsystem that you want the
>>>>>>> >>>> >> change the subsystem an interactive job runs in. On the other hand, if a
>>>>>>> >>>> >> workstation is allocated to one subsystem it can be tricky to change it
>>>>>>> >>>> >> with the WSE's.
>>>>>>> >>>> >> signing on manually and using TFRJOB to put the workstation into the>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> You can try changing the WSE for both subsystems to *SIGNON, then
>>>>>>> >>>> >> correct subsystem. Once that is done use *SIGNON for the primary
>>>>>>> >>>> >> subsystem and *ENTER for the other.
>>>>>>> >>>> >> One is *SIGNON, and the other is *ENTER.>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Hopefully you don't have too many of these.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Scott Ingvaldson
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Senior IBM Support Specialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> From: John McKee [mailto:jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:06 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Subject: Re: Device names and interactive subsystem descriptions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> I checked the entry of C0* in both subsystems. Both are C-number zero.
>>>>>>> >>>> >> *NOMAX for maximum jobs.>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Both are using the same job description and libraryand both are set to
>>>>>>> >>>> >> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Still doesn't work. If a different workstation is used, all is well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> I looked at the job logs for the two subsystems, BINTER and BINTER2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Nothing there except entries where I changed the WSE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Both subsystems are active.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> What next?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> John McKee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Jim Oberholtzer<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >>>> >> to>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > The subsystem does not need to be restarted for a workstation entry
>>>>>>> >>>> >> onto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > take effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > I am confused about the "C0". Workstation IDs cannot start with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > number. Did you start them literally with "C0"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > In any case the subsystem does not need to restart to enable a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > workstation entry. One thing that might be happening. If another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > subsystem grabs the device and allocates it, then it might hang
>>>>>>> >>>> >> on>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > it until the device is varied off and back on. I just tried that
>>>>>>> >>>> >> describing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > our system at iDevCloud and was able to mimic what you are
>>>>>>> >>>> >> there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Try varying the devices off and then back on with the new subsystem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > entry active.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > I would also look into the other workstation entries to be sure
>>>>>>> >>>> >> in>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > is not a similar entry out there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Jim Oberholtzer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Chief Technical Architect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Agile Technology Architects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > On 2/3/2012 5:11 PM, John McKee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> For a long time, there were standards where I work as to naming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> conventions for devices. But, since the system is on the way out
>>>>>>> >>>> >> establishing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> maybe a year, other people are dictating things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> In the case of the above, the person who assists others
>>>>>>> >>>> >> would be>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> a remote connection through the firewall has decided that it
>>>>>>> >>>> >> workstation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> easier if the device name was same as the user id.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> We have two interactive subsystems. Each has a number of
>>>>>>> >>>> >> that>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> entries - composed of three characters followed by an asterisk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> I had forgotten about those entries when I created device
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> descriptions that start with C0 (a digit zero).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> My day off today, and I received a call from work that the remote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> users only got a blank screen. So, I added the C0* entry. I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> told later that it still did not work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> I am guessing that the subsystem needed to be restarted for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> change to take effect. Am I right, or is there something else
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > -->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> > -->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> needs to be done?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> John McKee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> --
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