RE: From HMC to No-HMC? -- MIDRANGE-L

A secure VLAN is probably the "right" way to do it, but then I have to change a lot more on the network and ensure the VLAN can route over our VPN without issue. I'm just checking my options right now.
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Sean Porterfield

-----Original Message-----
From: Roberto José Etcheverry Romero
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:38
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: From HMC to No-HMC?

Hmm, i believe that if you muck around in the CLI and make a virtual IP (don't know if you can) on the same port as the public IP it would probably work. I still don't know why it would be so hard to just use a secure VLAN, management should not be exposed to normal traffic...

Best Regards,

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Porterfield, Sean <SPorterfield@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Specifically, my question was "Will the HMC connect to a system from its public Ethernet interface?"

Today is not the day for me to test and risk breaking something. :)
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Sean Porterfield

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Oberholtzer
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 09:27
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: From HMC to No-HMC?

You can manage multiple servers with one HMC. You can have each server managed by more than one HMC, but only one HMC at a time. The only thing I don't know is if your system managed by a LAN console is HMC capable, (meaning Power 5 and higher).

See:
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/wikis/display/virtualization/HMC+an
d+system+setup for a much more clear explanation that I can give here.

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

On 10/29/2012 4:40 PM, Porterfield, Sean wrote:

Clear? Perhaps.... My reason for asking was similar to Rob's.
Currently I have a LAN console for one system and an HMC for the
other. If the HMC could manage both, that would be nice. If I had a
second HMC, and each could manage either system, that would be even
better. Currently the "private" port of the HMC is not on a routed
subnet - it's direct to the IBM chassis, not even through a
hub/switch (I think...) Obviously that part would have to change for
a second
(remote) HMC to be able to manage that system, but if the HMC could
use the "public" port to connect to the remote IBM server, it would
be nice. Is that just as clear?:)

(Note: I fully comprehend subnets, routing, dhcp, and the security
aspect involved in the question.)

Security versus easy access is an age old question, but this gives me something to think about in my spare time (ha).
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Sean Porterfield

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Oberholtzer
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 17:30
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: From HMC to No-HMC?

Sean,

Maybe some clarification is in order.

There are two Ethernet ports on the HMC, they are Eth0 and Eth1
(keep in mind the base of the HMC appliance is Linux)

Either port can be deemed a "private" port. It is done when you configure the Ethernet on the port. When the port is "Private" the HMC expects there to be a connection to the HMC port on the back of the FSP. It sets up DHCP and firewall rules appropriately. When the HMC attempts to connect to the FSP, the FSP requests an address from the HMC, which is either a DHCP address within one of several ranges (the HMC has a DHCP server in it), or a static address, again at your choice when you set up the Ethernet connection on the HMC. The HMC password is set and the connection is made. It is "private" only because the only systems on this network are the HMCs and the FSPs.

The public port is called that only because there are devices other than the FSP and HMC on that LAN. Otherwise there is very little difference between the two. I normally do not put any of the FSPs on the public network as a security precaution. As Rob has pointed out, there is some level of protection in the public network but not enough for me to bet the system on.

Clear as mud?

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

On 10/29/2012 3:35 PM, Porterfield, Sean wrote:

Can it connect to a system from the public port, or is it always from private?
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Sean Porterfield

-----Original Message-----
From:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
Oberholtzer
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 07:40
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: From HMC to No-HMC?

Rob,

There are two ports on the HMC, one can be made private, one can be made public. The only real thing you accomplish by making everything public is putting ASMI and the FSP on the public network, with all the associated security risks of doing that; in exchange for easy access to the ASMI the two times a year you need to get to it. Bad trade in my view.

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

On 10/29/2012 6:16 AM,rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

> ps: I never drank the kool-aid that one should put the HMC on a
> dedicated lan that no one else can get to. Makes remote control a tad bit tricky.
>
>
> Rob Berendt

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