Re: config for a low end 710 or 720

[Jim Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

A bit off topic but the infocenter mostly is a java application where 
you cannot bookmark inside it.  OK they got me on this one.

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects


On 12/5/2012 7:53 AM, rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Thanks.
>
> Gee geezer, figure out how to use a browser.  That pretty blue type?  You
> can right click on it and get the link
> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v7r1m0/topic/rzam4/rzam4rms.htm
> geezer was tongue in cheek and hopefully you took it that way.
>
>
> Rob Berendt
> -- IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1 Group Dekko Dept 
> 1600 Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive Garrett, IN 46738 Ship to: Dock 108 
> 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com From: Jim 
> Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Midrange Systems 
> Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Date: 12/05/2012 08:30 
> AM Subject: Re: config for a low end 710 or 720 Sent by: 
> midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx Well Rob, hardware prices today are a 
> bit different than they were back in the day when the hardware 
> supported the OS. That said, if you go to developer works you'll find 
> lots of posts about RDX. See an interesting article by Tony Pearson of 
> IBM talking about RDX technology. (Tony is a real honest genius and 
> knows storage like no one else I know) In the V7 information center 
> see: "Removable Mass Storage" from the "What's new as of October 2012" 
> IBM i v7 infocenter, About IBM i Information IBM i information 
> overview and what's new Storage Solutions Removable Mass Storage (RMS) 
> Note to Infocenter folks: LET US BOOKMARK STUFF INSIDE THE 
> INFOCENTER!!!!! Ok back to normal voice.... Jim Oberholtzer Chief 
> Technical Architect Agile Technology Architects On 12/5/2012 6:55 AM, 
> rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >  Yeah, $5000 is a lot of money for a tape drive.  But my company bought
> the
> > >  $4000 8" diskette drive years ago to do a S/36 migration.  That 25%
> > >  increase for something that blows the doors off of an 8" diskette drive,
> > >  well,...
> > >
> > >  Do you have a link to this RDX info?
> > >
> > >
> > >  Rob Berendt
> > >  -- IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1 Group Dekko Dept
> > >  1600 Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive Garrett, IN 46738 Ship to: Dock 108
> > >  6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755http://www.dekko.com  From: Jim
> > >  Oberholtzer<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  To: Midrange Systems
> > >  Technical Discussion<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Date: 12/05/2012 07:39
> > >  AM Subject: Re: config for a low end 710 or 720 Sent by:
> > >  midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx  I agree with Kirk, the 720. As many
> > >  drives as you can stuff in there (remember disk arm performance) with
> > >  RAID6 and your almost as safe as mirroring. I don't see any mention of
> > >  LPAR but remember with a 720 4 way, you need to host the LPARs on IBM
> > >  i or VIOS if you need them. (Now your using an HMC or LVM as well) I
> > >  would have a real serious look at the internal RDX drive (the usb
> > >  attach I have works but it's slower) for back up. Looks and reacts
> > >  like a DVD on massive steroids. I've done all manner of testing with
> > >  it and it does well. Two concerns; first the cartridges are more
> > >  expensive than tape, but because they are really 2.5 inch hard drives
> > >  they don't have some of the drawbacks of tape either. The second is
> > >  speed. They are a bit slower than LTO but if that's not an issue.....
> > >  Now the real kicker. LTO5 internal on a 710/720 = $5000. RDX internal
> > >  = (about, I have not seen final pricing) $700. You can buy a lot of
> > >  RDX carts for that kind of money. RDX carts run from 360Gb to 1TB. V7
> > >  with TR5 is required for the RDX units. They have a USB unit that
> > >  plugs into any of the USB ports on the 720, sweet. As my customers all
> > >  get to TR5 I'm using the RDX unit for PTF application etc. Avoids
> > >  using the storage on the system and it's fast enough, particularly on
> > >  systems with only a four drives, to make sense. Sorry if this sounded
> > >  a bit like a commercial but the technology is really cool, finally
> > >  available to IBM i, and no one seems to be talking about it. Jim
> > >  Oberholtzer Chief Technical Architect Agile Technology Architects On
> > >  12/4/2012 9:07 PM, Kirk Goins wrote:
> > > > >>  >    Jim,
> > > > >>  >    Frankly from a performance point I do not like mirroring, maybe on
> the
> > >  720
> > > > >>  >    with the cache it may be fine. Day to day use OK, but PTFs, Upgrades
> etc
> > >  I
> > > > >>  >    really like a 4 drive Raid set.
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  >    I don't think you can get less than 8Gb these days and as long as
> they
> > > > >>  >    don't want to run WebQuery, WebSphere etc then 8 will be fine.
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  >    Tape if you can get then to spend the money then LTO is the way to
> go. I
> > > > >>  >    have only sold 1 system with a DAT drive and it worked but compared
> to
> > >  LTO
> > > > >>  >    it took forever to do much of anything.  the720's can have the LTO5
> > > > >>  >    internally and LTO4 media has gotten cheaper than 1/4inch media.
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  >    IBM will tell ya the 710 was designed for Linux/AIX and I am not
> sure
> > >  you
> > > > >>  >    can get a Deskside model
> > > > >>  >
> > > > >>  >    On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM, franz400<franz400@xxxxxxx>    wrote:
> > > > >>  >
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     Looking for recommendations (they already have the BP) for a
> low end
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     system,
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     Replacing a couple Advanced 36 systems, one local, other
> will be
> > >  remote
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     via vpn.
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     Will run programs in s36 mode, but hopefully they will add
> newer
> > >  features
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     (email, advanced printing (pdf), some edi, light web
> hosting)
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     Each system currently has 3 - 5 users each.
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     Considering the 8202 DAT tape drive - i see they now offer a
> usb
> > >  attach.
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     2- 146 Gig drives mirrored (maybe 4) - (is there a better
> option?
> > >  have
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     occasional need for up to 80 gig useable)
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     tower model (under a desk)
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     i7.1
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     legacy dev tools
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     sql development tool
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     system i access
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     (having trouble finding weblink of software products avail
> to
> > >  review...
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     How much memory needed to drive system and up to 10 users
> and couple
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     printers, with room to expand?
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     How limiting is the entry 710 vs entry 720?
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     Since it appears 1/4 inch cartridge tape not supported, am
> expecting
> > >  to
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     ftp the libraries from an intermediary (520) system. Any
> other
> > >  options?
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     Even though BP will answer these, I appreciate the
> experience on
> > >  this list.
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     Jim Franz
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >
> > > > > > > >>>>  >>    >     --
> > >  --
> --