Re: BRMS recovery -- MIDRANGE-L

Have you examined the 192 not saved, are they log files or ??

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Steinmetz, Paul <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

I've done some additional IFS save testing, with and without SWA.
IFS with SWA resulted in no improvement for number of objects saved, same
amount were excluded.
It did double the IFS same time.
Has anyone had success with IFS SWA?
At this point, I do not have an IFS save solution that will result in a
good speedy recovery.
Any thoughts from the group.

IFS full save with SWA *YES - 242902 objects saved. 192 not saved. 36
minutes
IFS full save with SWA *NO - 242902 objects saved. 192 not saved. 17
minutes
IFS full save with SWA *SYNC - 242902 objects saved. 192 not saved. 25
minutes

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Fenstermacher
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:44 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: BRMS recovery

Yes we use SWA and we use omits in the IFS. The missed IFS objects are
log files we don't care about.

Paul Fenstermacher | Sys/NW Admin,Sr | Corporate Systems - POWER Systems
Administration | Jack Henry & Associates, Inc.(r)
663 West Highway 60 | Monett, MO 65708 | Ph. 417.235.6652 | x177389 |
pfenstermacher@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steinmetz, Paul
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:27 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: BRMS recovery

Paul,

How do you handle the IFS (*LINK) and QLNKOMT?
Do you use Save While Active?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Fenstermacher
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 3:20 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: BRMS recovery

Been doing it for years and I wouldn't think about doing it without BRMS.
It's a complete, functional product and I would suggest you keep working
with it.

Paul Fenstermacher | Sys/NW Admin,Sr | Corporate Systems - POWER Systems
Administration | Jack Henry & Associates, Inc.(r)
663 West Highway 60 | Monett, MO 65708 | Ph. 417.235.6652 | x177389 |
pfenstermacher@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steinmetz, Paul
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:54 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: BRMS recovery

I've completed my BRMS test recovery, with limited success. Libraries went
well, DFID did its job. IFS is another story.
Did you know, (per IBM development, not yet documented, new knowledge base
doc is being written) if you use QLNKOMT list and *LINK in your BRMS
saves, only the very last *LINK is presented for recovery. I always
assumed that my entire IFS would be restored from my last dedicated system
save. This is not the case. We use QLNKOMT due to all IFS locked items that
cannot be saved while active.

So either before step 19 in the BRMS recovery report, or immediately
after, one would have to do either
1) QSYS/WRKMEDIBRM LIB(*LINK) , position back to last dedicated system
save, and manually select all the items that were omitted.
2) Have a CL already created with all items from the QLNKOMT list.

__ STEP 019 : Recover Directories and Files

Saved Save ----- ASP ------ Save Save Not
Sequence Control Volume
Item Type Name Number Date Time Saved Saved
Number Group Identifier Encrypt
---------- ------- ---------- ----- -------- -------- ------- -------
--------- ---------- ---------------------------- -------
*LINK *FULL *SYSBAS 00001 5/06/13 0:21:45 194,424 0
14727 SAVFULL05 001008

In summary, I am really considering not using BRMS for system recovery
purposes, (too many nuances and exclusions in the recovery report), not too
also mention it is very slow.
It is great for individual application recovery, but it needs a lot of
work for total system recovery.
Last year, migrating from P5 to P7, I did a P5 Save 21 LTO3, followed by
a P7 Restore 21 LTO5. Total migration was 8 hours, 4 hour save, 2 hour
restore (SSD drives)

So, I'm asking the group, how do you all recovery your systems when they
fail? Restore 21, BRMS Recovery, or custom.
I'm leaning towards Document Number: 457133341 Restoring a System
without BRMS When the Save Was Done with BRMS

It is possible to restore a system from a save done using BRMS without
using BRMS for the restore. However, when doing this, there are some
precautions users must be aware of.
o It is suggested that QMSE, QUSRBRM, and QBRM libraries be restored
after the License Internal Code and the operating system have being
restored. This prevents errors from occurring when QUSRSYS library is
restored.
o BRMS does not do a *NONSYS save of the libraries: RSTLIB
SAVLIB(*IBM) OMITLIB(QMSE QBRM) and RSTLIB SAVLIB(*ALLUSR). QUSRBRM is not
saved in *ALLUSR; therefore, there is no need to omit it.
o GO RESTORE Option 21 can not be used.
o Example of the commands to be used are as follows:
Restore the License Internal Code and the operating system RSTLIB
SAVLIB(QBRM QMSE QUSRBRM) RSTUSRPRF RSTCFG RSTLIB SAVLIB(*IBM) OMITLIB(QMSE
QBRM) RSTLIB SAVLIB(*ALLUSR) RSTDLO RST DEV('QSYS.LIB/media device
name.DEVD') OBJ(('/*') ('/QSYS.LIB' *OMIT) ('/QDLS' *OMIT)) ENDOPT(*LEAVE)
RSTOBJ OBJ(*ALL) SAVLIB(QUSRBRM) MBROPT(*ALL) ALWOBJDIF(*AUTL
*FILELVL *OWNER *PGP)
RSTAUT

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:15 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: BRMS recovery

Paul is surely doing a thorough test. Many shops may do incrementals but
when it comes to their system test they always perform a full system save
immediately beforehand and do the restore with that. Paul is not. He's
really testing that.

He is even having me think about our systems full recovery. For example,
we do a full system save on our primary machine once a quarter. That is
the only time, ever, that tape touches that machine. For nightly backups
we do backups on our Mimix backup lpar. Once a quarter we have reviews
(before the save time rolls around). The BRMS reports do not address this
situation and we pretty much have to wing that. Yeah, we ought to document
this sometime...

Rob Berendt
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