Re: PTF SF99711

[Kirk Goins <kirkgoins@xxxxxxxxx>]

Guys and Gals,
My intent here was to raise awareness the SF99711 may not work as
believed/desired. There are probably as many ways to order and apply PTFs
as there are members of this list. Not to mention policies as to how often
or when to apply.

Happy PTFing


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Paul Nelson <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Here's what I do. I order the CUME, and ask for it to be placed on the FTP
> server. Then I log in again, and ask for everything else (based on the
> dates
> shown in Fix Central).
>
> I get two subsequent emails with the credentials and directory information
> for the FTP server. I copy and paste the essential information into the two
> FTP scripts on my machine, and then submit those to batch running under my
> FTPBATCH program. The CUME order gets transferred into my /cume directory,
> and everything else gets transferred into my /fixes directory. Last
> weekend,
> I got 3 files transferred for the CUME package, and 5 files for everything
> else.
>
> This has been working for several years without a problem
>
> Paul Nelson
> Cell 708-670-6978
> Office 409-267-4027
> nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bakutis, Becky
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:46 PM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: RE: PTF SF99711
>
> I'm glad you brought this up.  I was under the impression when ordering
> SF99711 that it would automatically include the latest group PTFs.  I did
> notice the Last Updated date and figured the document was not updated.  If
> SF99711 only periodically gets updated to include the latest group PTFs
> then
> I don't understand the point of ordering SF99711.  I have started ordering
> CUMEs and GROUPS on DVD again because of too many issues downloading even
> using Download Director.  I used to be a fan, but figured the data was
> getting too large.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kirk Goins
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:44 PM
> To: Midrange-L
> Subject: PTF SF99711
>
> May be this has been hashed out here before and I missed it but here are a
> couple of items I have run across.
>
> First of all for my sites that have good bandwidth I like to use SNDPTFORD
> to an Image Catalog. It is pretty much enter the cmd and forget. I come
> back
> the next day and I have my image(s) and away I go. I will typically order
> the CUME and then order the groups I want for that machine.
>
> I have tried recently ( a couple of times ) to use SF99711 to pickup all
> the
> groups I needed without having to specify each one.. I have had a couple of
> issues.
> #1 After the CUME and Groups have been applied and the system has completed
> ALL the required IPLs most of not al the groups show Not Installed in
> WRKPTFGRP. If I simply do a SNDPTFORD SF99711 and let it download to
> *SERVICE it says No PTFs Ordered ( or whatever ) but WRKPTFGRP not shows
> the
> groups Installed.
>
> A second issues I ran into today. I had used SF99711 within the last couple
> of weeks, but while trying to use the HTTP Admin server to install WAS855 I
> was having problems. Looking at the group levels my HTTP server was at
> level
> 19. It should have been at 23 or even 24 if SF99711 had done what it
> advertises.
>
> In discussing this with IBM it turns out SF99711 doesn't automagically get
> the LATEST Group PTFs. It has to be updated by the PTF Gods at IBM to
> Include whatever groups and whatever levels they want included iin the
> group
> PTF..
>
> *Per the current Cover Letter*
> SF99711:  710 All PTF Groups except Cumulative PTF Package PTF Group Level:
> 2 Last Updated:  8/9/13
>
> So based on IBM Tech Support Comments and the date above. I would not
> expect
> to see any PTFs added to groups since 8/9/13.
>
> *Dear IBM.*
> My hope when ordering SF99711 via SNDPTFORD or vis FixCentral and accessing
> my system is that A. It would check my WRKPTFGRP makers and order any that
> needed updating.
> B. Decide if I had installed a new product and if there was a group PTF for
> that product ( say WAS8.5 ) include that in my order.
>
> Another side comment from support. They do not recommend using SNDPTFORD
> for
> large PTF orders like CUMEs and GROUPs. They say they have more lssues with
> missing PTFs etc than by using Fix Central and then FTPing or using
> Download
> Director.
>
> Any Order with care.
>
>
> --
> Kirk
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