RE: What's the median age of the developers in your shop? -- MIDRANGE-L

Yeah, group I was following did the same thing, ended up in Shiner I believe.

Kevin Brake, MSSE
IT Application Developer
Information & Technology Services
City of Goodyear - All America City
190 N. Litchfield Rd.
Goodyear, AZ 85338
623-882-7857
623-882-7858 (Fax)
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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:08 PM
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Heh, he might. He moved from California to Texas several years ago. He's a collector, and the gun grabbers are part of the reason he moved.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 409-267-4027
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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Brake
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:46 PM
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Not surprising given what the current gun control lobby is doing for sales.
He might just have more fun too, does he need any help?

Kevin Brake, MSSE
IT Application Developer
Information & Technology Services
City of Goodyear - All America City
190 N. Litchfield Rd.
Goodyear, AZ 85338
623-882-7857
623-882-7858 (Fax)
kevin.brake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 6:31 AM
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Thanks to companies who outsource, those pastures aren't so green anymore.
Looking at Jim's figures for IT graduation rates, perhaps the word is getting out that the money is better in other disciplines.

My oldest son (41) has been a web developer for years, and even had his own retail web site for a while. He'll be leaving the industry this year. He's found that he can make better money as a gunsmith.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 409-267-4027
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Adams
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:35 AM
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I can't believe this, but Paul and I actually agree about something! I base my agreement after training programmers for a company years ago. We wound up taking recruits out of accounting, warehousing, even (shutter) sales.
The only problem was the company didn't pay that well so, once they got trained they usually wound up leaving for greener (i.e., more lucrative) pastures.

Jerry C. Adams
Personally I don't think you can make a lawyer honest by an act of the Legislature. You've got to work on his conscience. And his lack of a conscience is what makes him a lawyer. -Will Rogers IBM i Programmer/Analyst
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-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:35 PM
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I've always held that it's easier to teach someone with a business degree to program than it is to teach somebody with a computer science degree how to produce financial statements and understand inventory control.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 409-267-4027
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Oberholtzer
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:40 PM
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Holger,

We are finding on the west coast of the US, California primarily but the entire coast, is about half the developers working in the tech sector never went to additional schooling after high school. They get hired on, work
80-90 hours/week and in two years are as productive as 10 year vets in the
industry. What they don't have is the industry and life experiences needed
to produce applications that are effective in a business environment.
Companies are relying on those of us with some grey hair to provide that perspective.

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Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holger Scherer
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?

Maybe this will help your determination - here in Germany i know of a lot of IBM i shops where >50% of the developers do not have any grade which is IT related...

-h

Am 11.06.15 um 23:29 schrieb Jim Oberholtzer:

This is but one small slice of data used to determine the suggested
directions.

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