Re: Advanced Job Scheduler

Jim,

Thanks for the response. It's time we get creative and move on from our
old ways of thinking. If I were to summarize your statements: It's
monetarily risky to purchase software from IBM.

What if we could remove that risk because it was dead simple to obtain
software trials and payment was metered?



Aaron Bartell
litmis.com - Services for open source on IBM i


On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Jim Oberholtzer <
midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Aaron,

At the risk of hacking a few people off I must strongly disagree. First
off
I am NOT a business partner with IBM. I do work with one when the need
arises. I am however IBM certified in design and implementation of Power8:

IBM Certified Technical Sales Specialist - Power Systems with POWER8
Enterprise V1
IBM Certified Technical Sales Specialist - Power Systems with POWER8
Scale-out V1
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i V1
Too many others to list here....

98% of the customers would order the wrong thing, pay too much for it, and
not get what they want. Configuring a Power8 box while much easier than it
was with Power5 still has many options and depending on the circumstance
one
option might not fit the customer's need vs. another. It takes an
experienced and knowledgeable individual to get that done. That's why IBM
requires all business partners to get certified, and reviews the orders
carefully. In the end it saves money to do it right once, rather than back
into the correct solution.

These comments apply to software as well. AJS is an example that is
simple,
there are no dependencies but BRMS was discussed in this thread as well.
There are dependencies there (Media and storage Extensions for one) and if
there is encryption included then the options start to get complicated.
Only a certified business partner is going to know how to make the order
once, correctly, and satisfy the customers need.

What about other software products on the system that have conflicting
dependencies (WAS and Domino come to mind almost immediately) do the
customers really understand all of those things?

I would agree that in the case of AJS it should be simple, but then again
maybe not.

--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Aaron
Bartell
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:02 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Advanced Job Scheduler

Call your Business Partner.

I almost bit my tongue, but decided against it.

Am I wrong to be fed up with the need to contact a business partner to gain
access to products I already know I want to buy? IBM (Steve Will) is
agreeing that automation** is an ingredient of success. I see the formal
IBM Business Partners as an unnecessary hurdle to get over. Imagine a
world
where I could click and pay on a web page to get new products installed on
IBM i in 2 minutes. What am I missing?

**http://bit.ly/youandi-strategy2015

Aaron Bartell
litmis.com - Services for open source on IBM i


On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

What it all boils down to is:
Call your Business Partner.

While it would be nice to simply find a list price on the internet and
be done with it many software products simply do not work that way.

IDK why. I have my suspicions:
1 - To avoid sticker shock we want you to listen to our siren's. You
can't resist their voices.
2 - No one pays list. That's just there to gouge you on maintenance
at x% of current list price.
3 - As long as you're looking at... you should really look at ... also.
4 - Honest attempt to make sure you're buying the right thing. Or
don't buy 5770-xyz when you may be entitled to a free upgrade from

5761-xyz.

Now, if you're trying to convince your boss and he's the only one who
is allowed to contact your business partner, then I can understand
your reluctance.

Some of the BP's on this list are getting tired of answering such
questions. Irks them when they do all the research and then you
contact your national BP who only says tell me what they told you and
undercuts the price.

Rob Berendt
--
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