Hi!
I would say that an end-customer gets close to 30% discount here if the
reseller also wants to earn something - for a P05 System.
to your other arguments i must say that none of this aditional cost apply
to the Dell server or to a Dell SMB storage (SCV...).
So i know all this arguments but in reallity (in the SMB customer range) i
think its a fact that IBM charges way too much and i feel really sorry
about that because i like the IBM-i platform but it makes it extremly
difficult for us to attract new customers to it.
Additionally i dont want to start a flame-war here about dell vs hp vs ibm
vs ... we have a dell server (and are reseller) and we own a IBM-i P05
since last year (and are reseller) because we liked the platform and
could afford it at that time. but we had to look at the money very
carefully and so we only have 10k disks. Our 6 Year old Dell server is
full of SSDs.
Keeping customers on the IBM-i is way easier than getting new customers to
this platform and IBM does not really help. And believe me we are trying
our best ;-)
Greetings,
Franz
From: "DrFranken" <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 25.07.2019 14:07
Subject: Re: Withdrawal of Spinning Drives
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Often this charge was comparable to buying a new drive to replace it
on a monthly basis.
That's a little harsh! Even the MMC on the original 70GB SSDs wasn't
even close to that. It was high for sure but nobody would even purchase
maintenance if you had to repurchase theme every month!
Also to Franz' immediately prior reply at least in the U.S. (I do
realize that things are often different by country) that the actual
price paid for the drive is generally about 1/2 of the list price. Why
do they price it that way? I do not understand but they do.
Another consideration with SAN storage is that you pay software charges
per drawer in many cases. So you acquire a drawer that holds 24 drives
and you can choose to fill that with SSDs of various sizes or with
Spinny drives. The biggest fast spinny was only 900GB so that limited
capacity in the drawer to about 12GB as I recall. Go beyond that and you
needed not only to purchase an expansion drawer (not so expensive) but
software for it AND SWMA for that software! So that 25th drive was Very
expensive indeed!! So you reconsider those SSD prices again because they
since they can be so very much larger you can put them all in the same
drawer. And SSD prices tend to be quite linear with capacity. We've seen
a four drawer spinny option fit all into one drawer easily with SSDs and
was cheaper to acquire as well as cheaper to maintain. The additional
plus is only 2U space and about 1/3 the total power draw (and thus heat
generation) as well.
Bottom line is you can't look only at the price of the drive itself you
MUST look at the total package!
- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis
www.Frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
www.iInTheCloud.com - Commercial IBM i Cloud Hosting.
On 7/25/2019 7:11 AM, Rob Berendt wrote:
Important point, but we were talking about the maintenance charges.
Spinning disks are often included in the maintenance of the machine. SSD's
are charged extra. Often this charge was comparable to buying a new drive
to replace it on a monthly basis.
Rob Berendt
midrange.com
