RE: Admin Servers -- MIDRANGE-L

No.
BRMS control group save with SWA.
SWA doesn't work for IFS objects, which leads the Admin server lock/error issue.

Paul

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Curious. Do you end and restart your 5250 sessions in between commands?

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Well of course if you're using something behind the admin servers you would leave it running... if it's infrequent you could start them up at that point and shut them down when done (which a lot of my customers do because I have to start it often).

It's like saying "should I leave my car running all the time?" The answer would be no... unless you are going somewhere and using the car. Of course you would have it running then. But the latter doesn't need to be said.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 7:15 AM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I agree with Larry.
Not only for administration but also for the general user population.
For those who prefer a web interface over the GUI part of iACS, or for
those functions not in the GUI part of iACS.

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Respectfully: Incorrect, or at least partly so, answer.

On a single sever with one partition, certainly incorrect, as you lose
all visibility to peformance, graphing, and any administration
functions that it provides. If you are more than 65 years old this
might be OK mostly, but for younger admins losing the GUI is generally
not a good thing. Some will argue that 'I can do everything needed on
a green screen,' and much you can, it's just harder and you get to see
a teeny window not a huge ass window into your system.

For example, can you look at a joblog for a running job in the green
screen? Sure. Can you search it? No.

Can you display spooled files as a PDF in the green screen? No.

Can you subset active jobs with just a few keystrokes on the green
screen? No.

Can you do ANY performance investigation whatever on the green screen? No.

And certainly the list simply goes on and on and on.

Now, if you have multiple partitions and/or servers then the admin
servers need only be running on one system, as you can manage many
systems from the admin servers running on one system in your data
center. The actual management of the target server is done through the
host servers not through the admin server.

- DrF

On 12/23/2021 1:51 PM, Brad Stone wrote:

No.

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Is there any reason to have the Admin HTTP server(s) running all
the

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