Re: Goggle and LSA (less secure apps)

A google employee named Laura has been bombarding me via email about
Gemini. I asked her the question. Stand by.

Note the gmail SMTP relay is based on originating IP address, not
username/password.



On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 3:26 PM Brad Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

And did you contact google to see if smtp-relay.gmail.com is going away?

I wonder if Help Systems would want to team up on this to get it working
for them. I'm sure they have a couple customers using their email
software.

Or, if anyone out there wants help trying to write a replacement processing
program for the ESEND commands I would be willing to help with that.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 1:24 PM Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

The SMTP relay at google has this:

1. Allowed senders: Only email addresses in my domain

2. Only accept email from the specified IP addresses. *NOTE: Mail sent
from these IP addresses will be trusted as coming from your domains.*

Below this you enter a list of IP addresses.


On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 1:52 PM Brad Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You still have the option to use app passwords with gmail and outlook,

but

I imagine that will go away sometime too.

Jeff's issue is that he has ESEND in hundreds or thousands of places.

It

would be quite an undertaking to switch to any other command/product.

But

I guess without more details on the current relay (and what it uses for
authentication, if any) it's hard to say. I would think it would

user/pw

authentication and that means the PW portion could be replaced to use

an

app password generated from Gmail.

I think in this case maybe it's using the gmail relay (
smtp-relay.gmail.com
or something) that was proposed a few years ago on this list by someone
(and which I am sure I said was a bad idea). The gmail relay was set

up

for things like printers, etc that don't have a real interface or could

use

any authentication.

I'm sure there's a solution, such as overriding the command processing
program for ESEND to use something else for example.

<vendor>
MAILTOOL has had the option to send email with OAuth 2.0 for years now.
But even if you're already using MAILTOOL Plus it's an easy transition

to

OAuth 2.0 which is what they recommend.

If you do try the option overriding of the ESEND command processing

program

MAILTOOL and the OAuth applications (G4G for google and G4MS for office
365) have ILE functions that can be used. They also allow the use of
config files for settings, so that could be fairly easy to put all the
authentication items in the config file leaving your commands as they

are.

</vendor>

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 12:00 PM Jeff Crosby <

jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

See this blog post.

https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2023/09/winding-down-google-sync-and-less-secure-apps-support.html

Google did this with @gmail.com addresses a couple of years ago and,

as

Brad Stone predicted at the time, they are now doing it for google
workspace users.

We are HEAVY users of ESEND (Fortra, formerly HelpSystems) which uses

the

IBM i SMTP server to send hundreds of emails a day for us via gmail

SMTP

relay. I assume this will affect that relay, though I don't know

that

for a fact. The time is short enough that I could not begin to do
something else.

I contacted Fortra/HelpSystems a couple of years ago when it first

happened

to the @gmail.com addresses and they told me to contact IBM. Yea,

right.

Years ago (before we figured out how to use outbound port 587 on the

IBM

i

SMTP server) we used a program on a local Windows system to perform

the

relay into gmail. The IBM i pointed all email to this system which
then sent it to google. That software was cleverly named Email

Server

and

no longer exists.

Suggestions? Is there a relay service out there I could use? I

would

prefer that as opposed to installing something on a local desktop.

Or

(best case scenario) something installed on the IBM I itself to

perform

the

relay from the IBM i SMTP server.

Thanks.


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