Re: Google Apps Premier and OpenOffice

["Jeff Crosby" <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Initially, we priced out 2 physical servers to spread the load of 5 virtual
servers and for redundancy.  If one of the physical servers would have a
problem, the other could handle all 5 for a spell.  Now we're in the "let's
get the costs down" phase.  If we go with 1 physical server, we could keep
the old servers as backups instead of buying a second physical server.


The 5 virtual servers are:

1) Receive orders from customer and salesreps, forward to System i for
processing, receive results from System i, and transmit same to customers
and salesreps (mission critical).

2) File & Print Server (instead of IFS).

3) Terminal services server for 10 thin clients (replacing the IXS).

4) Terminal services for inside customer service ordering.  This server also
functions as a warm backup for server #1.

5) Exchange (unless we go with Google Apps).


The cost difference between a SAN and non-SAN setup for this is $1,619.
Still think a SAN is overkill?


--
Jeff Crosby
UniPro FoodService/Dilgard
P.O. Box 13369
Ft. Wayne, IN 46868-3369
260-422-7531
www.dilgardfoods.com

The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily the opinion of my
company.  Unless I say so.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Walden H. Leverich
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:01 AM
> To: PC Technical Discussion for iSeries Users
> Subject: Re: [PCTECH] Google Apps Premier and OpenOffice
>
> > It has what you have there plus virtualization, a 2nd server as
> > backup, a SAN for storage, all the software licensing, and all the labor.
>
> Virtualization and a SAN? That's much more than is needed for a 25 person
> exchange implementation. If you're doing other stuff than fine, but then
you
> can't compare it to Google Apps. Unless you SAN is just a big box of
disks,
> you better have someone to manage it too. For one server a SAN makes ZERO
> sense, for two servers, it makes minimal sense, I'd get an external
storage
> array and move it between the machines if needed. SANs shine w/multiple
> front-end servers, and they're typically not a set-and-forget setup
(really
> simple iSCSI not withstanding).
>
> -Walden
>
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> Tech Software
> (516) 627-3800 x3051
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Crosby
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:15 PM
> To: 'PC Technical Discussion for iSeries Users'
> Subject: Re: [PCTECH] Google Apps Premier and OpenOffice
>
> I have 2 quotes from the same guy, 1 with IBM x3650 servers and 1 with
Dell
> Poweredge servers.  The Dell is cheaper.  Both quotes are higher (a lot)
> than you estimate because it includes more things than just this in the
> project.  It has what you have there plus virtualization, a 2nd server as
> backup, a SAN for storage, all the software licensing, and all the labor.
>
> I'm not finding too many online reviews or posts that like Google Apps.
> Other than a guy who wrote a book about it.  :)
>
> --
> Jeff Crosby
> UniPro FoodService/Dilgard
> P.O. Box 13369
> Ft. Wayne, IN 46868-3369
> 260-422-7531
> www.dilgardfoods.com
>
> The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily the opinion of my
> company.  Unless I say so.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> > Behalf Of Lukas Beeler
> > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:59 PM
> > To: PC Technical Discussion for iSeries Users
> > Subject: Re: [PCTECH] Google Apps Premier and OpenOffice
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 21:44, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > > 25 Users.
> >
> > What kind of infrastructure do you have right now with regards to
Windows?
> > What kind of licenses do you currently have and what kind of client
> > operating systems do you currently run?
> > What suite of Microsoft Office are you currently using?
> >
> > My Guesstimation:
> >
> > IBM System x3650 M2 with an external LTO4 drive (TS2240)
> > SBS 2008 Standard + 20 User Licenses
> > Symantec BackupExec Small Business Edition
> > + Static IP Address on your WAN connection (~10-20US$ / month)
> > + Yearly cost for appropriate SAN certificate (~200US$ / year)
> >
> > Put this as 15kUS$ to 25kUS$, without labor. Does not include licenses
> > for Outlook client.
> >
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