Re: Disk Healthy (At Risk) -- PCTECH

I did a fastsupport with the local guru from the PC repair shop and he
cleared up the At Risk issue in about 30 seconds.

He did a Reactivate Disk which I have been wanting to do, but it was always
grayed out for me in Disk Management.

I went into Disk Management via the My Computer route whereas he went in
via command line. He's not sure that made the difference, but it made me
look like a dunce.

Still need to do a CHKDSK but will be scheduling that, most likely after
they convert it to a Basic disk.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Gary Kuznitz <docfxit@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This will explain how to check the Event Viewer for chkdsk results:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/96938-check-disk-chkdsk-read-event-viewer-lo
g.html

Gary

On 8 Sep 2014 at 13:05, John (John Jones <pctech@xxxxxxxxxxxx>) commented
about
Re: [PCTECH] Disk Healthy (At Risk):

You might also want to check Event Viewer to see if there are any other
disk-related messages worth reviewing.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Mark,

Only downside was the time it would take. And I thought the /F is what

did

the fixing? And the /R was a surface scan on top of doing fixes?

Thanks for all your help.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:01 PM, mlazarus <mlazarus@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jeff,

I run it with both. Why would you not want Windows to fix any

errors

it

finds? Unless you're planning on using another tool (maybe from the

disk's

manufacturer), I would run it. I have found CHKDSK to be fairly
conservative when it comes to recovering and reinstating bad sectors.

It

usually moves whatever data it can off of the suspect sectors and

marks

it

bad.

Also, since it's a new drive, what's the downside?

-mark

On 9/8/2014 12:06 PM, Jeff Crosby wrote:

Mark,

I was also thinking of /not/ using the /R option but only the /F

option.

The /R will make it take a while on this 500gb drive, will it not?

The

drive is brand new.

Thanks.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:00 PM, mlazarus<mlazarus@xxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Jeff,

Yes, I would run it. If it finds errors, run it again (once or

twice)

until it comes up clean. If you have to run it more than 3 times

(even 3

times would set off a warning bell for me - I would look closely at

the

errors), the drive might be flaky; I'd look to replace it. Just

relaying

my experience.

-mark

On 9/8/2014 11:44 AM, Jeff Crosby wrote:

Mark,

I misread your response wrong at first. :)

What you're saying is that since this a brand new drive, running

CHKDSK

should be OK. Right?

Sorry, but I've been chatting/talking to a couple of Acronis

support

people
and found one must be very precise . . .

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:11 AM, mlazarus<mlazarus@xxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Jeff,

In my experience, CHKDSK only seemed to make things worse when

the

disk
was in really bad shape. I think the bearings were shot. In

general

it
had been very reliable for me.

-mark

On 9/8/2014 10:37 AM, Jeff Crosby wrote:

That server ran fine all weekend. This morning I decided to run
CHKDSK
in
read-only mode on the C: drive, even though it said "Healthy

(System)"

The
reason I decided to do that is I noticed that in Disk Management

upper

right hand pane (where the disks are listed) that there is one

of

those
yellow triangle warning symbols on both the C: and D: drives.

The

chkdsk
results say:

"Windows found problems with the file system. Run CHKDSK with

the

/f

(fix)
option to correct these."

Does this mean that chkdsk /will/ be alright to run? Like I

said

Friday,
I'm really leery. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but I'd
really
like some opinions here. (And that's no criticism on you

whatsoever

Gary.
By googling I found there were times chkdsk caused more

issues.)

Thanks.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Jeff Crosby<

jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wrote:

None of the orders are stored on this server. This hosts the

website

for
customers placing orders.

As soon as the order is complete, it goes to another Windows

server,

then
to the IBM i and gets processed. If the website should go

down,

the

customers will call their salesrep and they will do the orders
another
way.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Gary Kuznitz<

docfxit@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

I have no idea what OS you are running. It is always safe to

run

with
both /r and /f on
any os. You will have your bases covered.

It's always safest to run chkdsk before you have to rely on
everything
running
smoothly. Best to run it now instead of waiting until Monday
morning.
It would not be
good if you lost the orders from over the weekend.

Gary Kuznitz

On 5 Sep 2014 at 16:03, Jeff (Jeff Crosby<pctech@xxxxxxxxxxxx

)

commented about
Re: [PCTECH] Disk Healthy (At Risk):

I can just do it as chkdsk /r which forces the /f, doesn't

it?

I ran the Seatools for DOS short test and it found no issues.

The

long
test will take well over an hour so it will wait until Monday
morning.

We

get a ton of orders over the weekend.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Gary Kuznitz<

docfxit@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Always run Chkdsk /f /r

If the os has a problem it needs to be fixed. If there is
corruption

of

any files the

damage is done. Running chkdsk with the /f /r will probably

fix

it.
There is no need to
ever run chkcsk without the repair option (/f /r)

Gary Kuznitz

On 5 Sep 2014 at 15:31, Jeff (Jeff Crosby<

pctech@xxxxxxxxxxxx>)

commented about
Re: [PCTECH] Disk Healthy (At Risk):

Here's the result of a read-only chkdsk:

Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
(C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\access>chkdsk c:
The type of the file system is NTFS.

WARNING! F parameter not specified.
Running CHKDSK in read-only mode.

CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 3)...
56160 file records processed.
File verification completed.
431 large file records processed.
0 bad file records processed.
0 EA records processed.
4 reparse records processed.
CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 3)...
190920 index entries processed.
Index verification completed.
5 unindexed files processed.
CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 3)...
56160 security descriptors processed.
Security descriptor verification completed.
5296 data files processed.
CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
35796736 USN bytes processed.
Usn Journal verification completed.
Windows found problems with the file system.
Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these.

104856223 KB total disk space.
14702388 KB in 50305 files.
15404 KB in 5297 indexes.
0 KB in bad sectors.
162355 KB in use by the system.
65536 KB occupied by the log file.
89976076 KB available on disk.

4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
26214055 total allocation units on disk.
22494019 allocation units available on disk.

It's suggesting I run chkdsk with /F to fix the errors.

The

only

error(s)

I see is the line

5 unindexed files processed.

However, at this link

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/
itprovistasetup/thread/5a9aa4

a3-04bb-4bef-894a-65be86d44306/

it says that can be ignored. The five unindexed files are
reserved

OS

files

that are not currently in use.

But it's suggesting that I run chkdsk with the /F option.

I

can

lose

files, can't I, because it will do whatever it has to do to

make

things

right?

I'm VERY leery of running chkdsk /F.

What about Seatools for DOS?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Jeff Crosby<

jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

But it's not offline, it's online. Reactivate is grayed

out.

The

only

option that appears available is chkdsk . . .

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:00 PM, John Jones<

chianime@xxxxxxxxx

wrote:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc787481(v=ws.

10).aspx#BKMK_10

and

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/
windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us

/dm_status_volume.mspx?mfr=true

both say to reactivate the disk.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Jeff Crosby<

jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Yesterday I saw on one of our Windows servers, in Disk

Management,

it

said

the volume was Healthy (At Risk). Since it was several

years

old,

I

took

it to the local PC shop. They cloned it on to a new

hard

drive and

installed it. The new drive also says Healthy (At Risk).

When I questioned the shop owner (big shop, he's been doing

this a

long

time) he said it would correct itself in a day or 2 and

the At

Risk

would

go away. Is that right?

It's been about 24 hours and it still says that.

Thanks.

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Ft. Wayne, IN 46868-3369
260-422-7531
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