RE: "extract" command enhancement

[John P Carr <jpcarr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

        Booth

        It's too bad that Rochester (not Toronto the language people)
control 98 %
        of what you're asking for.    I don't think that they will even
acknowledge
        that the Green screen exists anymore,  let alone spend any
development
        dollars on it.  

        The  phrase "When Hell Freezes over"   comes to mind when
considering
        the likelyhood of Green Screen (or CL) enhancements.

        But you raise an interesting point (in a round about way).      

        Hey !  I thought Tononto wouldn't waste time providing 
        functions that  were easy for us to create via Procedures??

        Then how come the %SUBDTZ  ???  

        Now I would rather have.....................


        John Carr



        From:   boothm@boothm on 09/20/99 08:22 PM
        To:     RPG400-L@RPG400-L@midrange.com@SMTP@EXCHCONNECT
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        Subject:        RE: "extract" command enhancement


        ah man, off we go.  More %bif stuff.  Sorry, but I can't see where
this really offers much value to the programming community.  These %bifs may
be fun and really good for trivia tests and certification exams, but if
there's all this energy to burn why not some energy directed to the green
screen which is far from dead?  Why not subfiles that ordinary programmers
can write from scratch in less than two days?  Why not windows that act like
windows and don't need extensive programming  to set pushbuttons or footers
for the window?  Why not a simple way to leave the underlying screens
undisturbed during and after the window's display? Why not some way of using
all of the colors without those damned column separators? 

        Don't get me wrong  -  I like %found.  I like Eval.  I like longer
field names.  There's lots of things I like, but day in and day out I have
to deal with presenting subfiles to users and frankly I am finding that even
with a family of generic templates a subfile still takes a couple of hours
or more to get "just right."   

        Having a %bif that was a "subfile part" coupled with a  %bif that
was a "window part" that included the border, heading area,  message line
(or not) and the F-keys as text or mouseable pushbuttons (not hot spots!)
and choice of colors without column separators would make my programming a
lot more effective than  %bif-your-date will in a dozen years. 

        That is a personal opinion, not expert testimony. 





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        Subject:        RE: "extract" command enhancement 

        I actually quite liked %subdtz ("sub-ditz") but I take Jon's point
about its
        being potentially too restrictive. In which case I vote %subfld the
best
        general purpose alternative so far.

        Dave Kahn
        Johnson & Johnson International (Ethicon) France
        Phone : +33 1 55 00 3180
        Email :  dkahn1@jnjfr.jnj.com (work)
                           dkahn@cix.co.uk      (home)


        -----Message d'origine-----
        De: Jon.Paris@halinfo.it [mailto:Jon.Paris@halinfo.it]
        Date: 17 September 1999 18:32
        À: RPG400-L@midrange.com
        Objet: Re: "extract" command enhancement




        >> The name we're currently leaning towards is "%subdtz".
        >> As in, the sub-part of a date, time, or timestamp value.

        Not wild about that one Hans - for one thing I don't think I'd ever
be able
        to
        remember it <bg>.  It's just too arcane. One of the things I was
trying to
        suggest with %Part - %Segment - %Subfld - %Item was that the portion
        extracted
        depended on the *D or whatever that was coded - I don't see that the
BIF
        needs
        to have a strong association with date/time/timestamp per se.  Who
knows -
        there
        may be other things we want to extract components from in future -
why tie
        it to
        DTZ?
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