Re: AS/SET - who needs RPG? -- RPG400-L

My back ground with AS/SET as a product came before BPCS.  And had a few 
members in the group I was in go to Chicago to help make that happen. 
Believe me I do not think the RPG generated was the greatest but then 
again it is a Case tool.  Those move fields to work fields and back 
subroutines. Yuk.

Thanks 
Bill Hopkins






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Bill,

I changed the subject :-)

I've never met anyone in that boat.  However I did hear of a COBOL shop 
that moved to an iSeries that bought AS/SET to smooth out the RPG learning 

curve.  Being a former board member of the AS/SET Users Group, I can tell 
you that there were shops using AS/SET that never purchased BPCS.

I don't use AS/SET anymore, but in it's day I think developers would have 
been better off if they had generated the source into QTEMP and never 
looked at it.  By concentrating on the finished product is where it had 
it's benefit.  Looking at the source didn't allow you to see the forest 
through the trees.

Rob Berendt
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary 
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 
Benjamin Franklin 




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Off topic.   Rob have you ever met AS/SET BPCS person that claimed you did 


not need to now any RPG. 

Bill Hopkins
 




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I disagree.

That boss had SEVERAL years to start learning ILE.  Based on that I assume 



that shop will never have any Java, Visual Basic or any other languages 
that the manager didn't learn while in college.

But, I've seen people react like this.  For example we have a very simple 
batch SQL program that was originally written by a person who 'left' in 
May of 2000.  All of a sudden, after some ptf's, etc, it generates some 
SQL errors.  After I've opened up a pmr with IBM that manager decides to 
rewrite the program from scratch, (granted, it was developed in AS/SET.)

Rob Berendt
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Can her reaction be a surprise? He's gone and suddenly she has a 
non-useful
application and bosses breathing down her neck. 
 
In a perfect world all IT shops would have 20% or more of programmer time
budgeted for training. But alas... it will never happen.
 
 
 
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.....
 
Another horror story I have heard in the past year - another colleague
of mine had written a stand-alone application completely in RPGIV. He
even designed his database with 10-character field names and date and
time fields. He used sub-procedures. Then he cut his hand with a
band-saw and was out on medical leave for 2 1/2 months.
 
Needless to say, one of his managers had to make a change to his app.
She didn't understand any of it, so, she re-wrote the entire thing in
RPG/400. When he came back off of medical leave, he was told he could
not use any RPGIV at all, ....
 
Bob Cagle
IT Manager
Lynk, Inc.
913-492-9202 x41

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