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Hi Matt! Thanks again for your help - I got the cipher to do what I needed - I'll leave the other apis for a rainy day.... <g> Regards Rick DuVall Systems Manager Dealer's Auto Auction of Okc 405 947-2886 Ext:143 rick@xxxxxxxxxx Rick, You may want to try taking a look at the documentation for the CIPHER MI (http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/iseries/v5r2/ic2924/info/mi/CIPHER.htm -- you want the info for function id 0011). It goes into quite a bit of detail about what's required for each cipher. When I was working with AES, I also found it helpful to look at Scott Klement's RC4 example, look at C examples (I know enough C to be able to follow along for the most part), and to read up on the spec a little bit (these tend to be a little heady but generally have a high enough level summary that gives enough so you can follow along with what it's supposed to do). Matt
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