Re: 00:00:00 or 24:00:00 -- RPG400-L

Long ago the day ended at sunset or at the apearence of the first star. Not at midnight

John Arnold (MFS) wrote:

When you have no zero, then noon is both the end of the morning and the
beginning of the afternoon and midnight is the end of the previous day
and the beginning of the next day.
Logically, one should use zero when referring to the beginning of the
day and 24:00:00 as the ending of the day - only by doing this are time
span calculations possible.

John Arnold
(301) 354-2939

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Interesting. So why they don't use 12N and 12M I have no idea since
neither are before nor after their respective times. Where are my
advil.....

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Ron
what you say made sense, until I read the following

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight

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Not really. I don't see it that way see. To me, the am/pm follows the
Hour that it is in. You can't have 12:00PM then 12:01AM. Because the
hour is the same, then the 1 minute after the hour must reside within
the
same AM/PM as the beginning of the hour. It would be more confusing to
me
if the 12:00PM is followed by 12:01AM. If it were that way then what
would 12:00:01 be? But of course that's just the way I look at it.

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Surely the same can be said of the following
1) 11:59pm is 1 minute before 12:00pm. 11:59pm is obviously just before
midnight, so 12:00pm is midnight.
2) 11:59am is 1 minute before 12:00am. 11:59am is obviously just before
noon, so 12:00am is noon.

Confusing aint it

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When I get confused as to when 12:00pm and 12:00am occur, I use the
following trick to remind me.

1) 12:00pm is 1 minute before 12:01pm. 12:01pm is obviously just after
noon, so 12:00pm is noon.
2) 12:00am is 1 minute before 12:01am. 12:01am is obviously just after
midnight, so 12:00am is midnight.

But I'm with you, just 1 more reason to use a 24-hour clock. Oh wait,
isn't
that where the 00:00 and 24:00 confusion came in? <g>

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Hallo Peter,

You are right; 12:00 AM is used for midnight. Apparently I'm
not the only one confused by this:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_
and_midnight>.
One more reason to stay with 24hr notation :-)

Joep Beckeringh

Peter.Colpaert@xxxxxxxxx schreef:

Joep,

If I run 12:00a through a test program, I get 24:00.

Here's the code:

d tijd s 10a inz('12:00a')
d c_p c 'P'
d c_pm c ' PM'
d c_am c ' AM'
d timupd s 6p 0 inz

/copy qrpglecpy,prattribs
/copy qrpglecpy,prqc2le
/free

Reset tijd;
If %subst(tijd:6:1) = c_p;
%subst(tijd:6) = c_pm;
Else;
%subst(tijd:6) = c_am;
EndIf;
timupd = atoi(%char(%time(tijd:*usa):*iso0));

*inlr = *on;
Return;

/end-free

When debugging, the field timupd is set to 240000.

So if I combine this with the date of 20000101, it seems to

point to

midnight between 1 and 2 January 2000.

When initializing the tijd field to '12:01a', I get (as expected) a
value of 000100 in the timupd field.

Very strange to understand, though.

Peter Colpaert
Application Developer
PLI - IT - Kontich, Belgium
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