Re: Future of RPG: What language would you learn?

[Mike <koldark@xxxxxxxxx>]

For JavaScript, that really depends. As a business, it probably is used to
give an app that "web 2.0" feeling. On the other side, you can write
something like Gmail with JavaScript.

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Mike Wills
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Adam Stein <adamster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Javascript is from my experience, another tool in your toolbox, not a major
> language to know like RPG. Sometimes you use it in the Project for some
> specific task.
> I think C# is easiest to learn over Java, at least in my case but I had the
> ability to learn backwards from an existing app. But I found it easier to
> follow than Java, I could see how the code works and I could make changes
> pretty soon.
>
> again given that I was not a progressive RPG person.
>
> --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> Subject: Re: Future of RPG: What language would you learn?
> To: "RPG programming on the IBM i / System i" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:14 PM
>
>
> a lot of folks choose PHP for the "low hanging fruit".  PHP isn't as
> complicated as the other languages mentioned in this thread.  which means
> they can be productive sooner.  after they have that additional skill they
> can go after the more complex languages.  PHP IMO is a good precursor to
> learning JavaScript (sticking with the more simple "languages").  after
> JavaScript then java is a pretty simple stone's throw away.  to me that is
> a good progression.  PHP can be coded (and should be IMO) to be portable
> across multiple database installations instead of using things like the
> proprietary i5_ functions available for the "i".  the db2_ functions work
> just fine with different databases (pretty much the only required changes
> would be for the connection strings).  but that's simply my 2 coppers.
>
> YMMV
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tommy Holden
>
>
>
> From:   Adam Stein <adamster@xxxxxxxxx>
> To:     RPG programming on the IBM i / System i <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date:   08/11/2010 08:09 AM
> Subject:        Re: Future of RPG: What language would you learn?
> Sent by:        rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> I think they would go PHP in the hopes of staying on, or getting back to
> the i platform. Imean, this is a consideration imo. I didn't have that
> luxury I was tossed out from my last job, laid off. Rolled with it.
>
> --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Mike Wills <koldark@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike Wills <koldark@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Future of RPG: What language would you learn?
> To: "RPG programming on the IBM i / System i" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 2:34 AM
>
>
> That's a non issue here. The code would be similar for Java, PHP, C#, and
> VB.NET. We aren't comparing RPG vs. other languages, it's about what would
> you learn.
>
> I doubt anyone here would argue that RPG is a more elegant language for
> hands down data entry, until you add the web to it. Just try the same
> thing. It's more complicated again. Now bring that same logic to a winform
> app and the logic is about the same.
>
> if (object.value < 0)
>     Textbox.color = "red";
>
> You can't compare languages to each other. Each has their own strength.
> For every argument against a language there is an argument for the
> language.
>
> This has been an interesting conversation though. It seems most people
> would go the PHP route.
>
> --
> Mike Wills
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>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Adam Stein <adamster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > As an example of why ASP.net C# is not that easy to learn, take a simple
> example. take a field in a column of financial data, say the Available
> amount they can spend in a category for the current, make it green if it
> is positive and red if it is negative.
> > In RPG what would I do? I don't know one thing, if the screen data is
> still kept in DDS and using SDA but if so you could use an indicator for
> the color, there are obviously better techniques. The grid is in Windows
> say. To do this, I have to define a control first and then use it in the
> code, there are 15 lines or so. In RPG I would say If Amt > 0 then red
> else green, something to this effect. You wouldn't think that long about
> this. But in C# this will take me more time.
> > The whole process of binding data to screen display is much more
> complex, something that was under the covers on the i, or is.
> > It delays the Programmers development to think in i system terms.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > From: Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: Future of RPG: What language would you learn?
> > To: "RPG programming on the IBM i / System i" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 6:08 PM
> >
> >
> > true.  i worked on a contract at a place that did exactly that.  once
> they
> > started getting the lower level programmers asking for the job they were
>
> > told that the position was for one that was already taken.  thanks to
> the
> > lax H1-B laws they satisfied the requirements just by posting the
> opening.
> > Thanks,
> > Tommy Holden
> >
> >
> >
> > From:   "Morgan, Paul" <Paul.Morgan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To:     "RPG programming on the IBM i / System i"
> <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date:   08/10/2010 01:04 PM
> > Subject:        RE: Future of RPG: What language would you learn?
> > Sent by:        rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > Jerry,
> >
> > It's probably an H-1B visa advertisement.  They have to show proof that
> > they advertised for the position and could find no one qualified to get
> > the visa approved.  They advertise a position with multiple requirements
>
> > so that no local is qualified.
> >
> > Paul Morgan
> >
> > Principal Programmer Analyst
> > IS Supply Chain/Replenishment
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Jerry Adams
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:35 PM
> > To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
> > Subject: RE: Future of RPG: What language would you learn?
> >
> > ...
> >
> > All of that said, hiring companies almost always put their requirements
> in
> > the form of languages and/or packages.  Other want ads for any kind of
> > programmer are scarce (around here, anyway), invariably they list
> multiple
> > languages, not just one.  And it was rarely the same mix across the want
>
> > ads.  [Personally, I think those kinds of ads are written to meet the
> > qualification(s) of someone that they have already decided to hire but
> > want to appear to be an EOE.  But that's just an opinion.]
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Jerry C. Adams
> > IBM System i Programmer/Analyst
> > Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day. - Samual Goldwyn
> > --
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> > email:  jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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