Re: Adoption of RPG OA -- RPG400-L

Henrik

I fear you have missed the point about OAR - at least it seems that way to me. It is NOT a replacement for CGIDEV2. It is NOT a way to write to the web. Not unless you choose to use it that way.

It is not even a replacement for the 5250 data stream. It arose out of a requirement for that kind of thing, but it ended up being MUCH more, as I see it.

It IS an extension to RPG that lets you simplify the use of new technologies for RPG developers.

You speak of "support" - vendors don't support it, they use it. That seems eminently different to me. Maybe a language difference between us, of course.

There are more than one group of developers. Whether one likes it or not, there is a large contingent that either do not have time or inclination to use something other than traditional RPG. This is neither a good nor a bad thing, it just is how it is. Should RPG developers learn new stuff? Maybe. Not necessarily. Do they have a job to do for their employers? Definitely. Open Access for RPG can help them do that job, probably faster, going to non-traditional target devices.

We will likely not agree in this area - sobeit. Personally, I rather like the idea and the opportunities afforded by this technology.

And this IS new stuff - hey, you should be going out of your way to learn what it is really about - what, are you stuck in a sandbar on that beach?

Had to do it, man! Sorry!

Regards
Vern

On 3/11/2011 4:43 PM, Henrik Rützou wrote:

Go to http://systeminetwork.com/ , there are 3 articles on open source on
their
main page, OpenRPGUI, Renaissance and powerEXT AF - and magazines has
a lot of articles on open source.

IMHO RPGOA is a dead duck - it's not even CGIDEV2 - it's 10-15 years to late
and
it lacks a consistant graphical UI and it is only supported by (as far as I
know) 3 vendors.

Today - nobody, not even IBM, can get paid to offer a product that dosn't
offers
a "total solution" - read it as something on the screen, RPGOA is like
offering
a DSPF, as we know it on IBM i, without the build in 5250 environment - this
you
have to invent yourselve or buy - it will never be the break true for IBM i,
it will never
attract new young programmers to IBM i, but it may serve as expensive
prolonging
of "oldboys" working life.

Or does it? It seems to me that it only makes programmers already standing
on the
beach to move out where the get their feet weet and they still has to
conquere the ocean.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Vern Hamberg<vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Raul

We are talking here about Open Access, not open source - I know that
some poster mentioned the latter, but the thread is not really about
that - except that it is difficult to do open source development with
Open Access for all the reasons we have been stating here.

I also know that it is possible to write an article that is "dependent
on serious, honest profesionals, that will take the time to learn about
the proyects" - even when the author gets paid.

There is nothing wrong with getting paid to write an article about
anything - just as there is nothing wrong with getting paid to do
programming for your employer.

:-X

Regards
Vern

On 3/11/2011 1:25 PM, Raul A. Jager W. wrote:

Open Source is great, but magazines will always go after the money.
No magazine will publish good, realistic articles about open source and
lose the paid advertising.
Open Source is dependent on serious, honest profesionals, that will take

> and reject the nice comisions

offered as an incentive to recomend a paid option.
Are we?

Jon Paris wrote:

On Mar 11, 2011, at 10:39 AM, rpg400-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

There is a always another option - Time for us to put our opensource

hats on! :-)

And that is where I get really frustrated by the licensing etc. Larry.

Magazine articles and Open Source type projects are not likely to
proliferate until you know your audience can get their hands on the required
software pre-reqs. Right now it is a bit like writing code for a target
audience that hasn't got the RPG compiler!

Jon Paris

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