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Mike,
Thanks for all that information, I'll certainly put it to use, and start
reading up on those topics/documents.
I read the same about SQL in this FieldProc program, and I'm not using
any, or any external calls that use them. I'm simply trying to encrypt 2
different types of columns with the IBM i Cryptographic Services APIs,
which should not be using SQL. So what you're saying is that I'll need to
convert them to VARCHAR before the encryption?
Speaking of Townsend, they have several articles and videos on the topic
of FieldProcs...and they claim that you can encrypt numerics using their
software, so I'm sure it can be done.
Thanks,
Nathan Hughes
Software Developer
601.499.2131 Office
280 Trace Colony Park
Ridgeland, MS 39157
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Subject: Re: FieldProc Error - column has returned invalid data on a Zoned
Numeric column
Hi Mike
Thanks for the clarification. It leaves me with a question, does a field
have to be non-numeric in order for a FIELDPROC to work correctly.
This goes back to the reason I was asked to write that OA handler. IBM had
suggested it to Patrick Townsend when the order of records returned was
incorrect when one of the key fields had a FIELDPROC on it. In a simplistic
way, it seems that SQL does the decryption on the field, then does the sort
on the decrypted values. I believe I can describe RPG's process as reading
the file in the key order, but it is reading it with encrypted values. Then
it decrypts the values.
So I wonder if, in your case, RPG is pulling the encrypted value into a
buffer or some such where that field is defined as numeric - hence the
message. And using SQL instead of RLA might get the decryption done first.
This does seem to fit the scenario you describe.
But I might be off somewhere, so verify if you can, maybe using SQL for IO.
Good luck and stay well!
Vern
On 3/24/2020 7:45 AM, Mike Jones wrote:
Hi Vernon,programs.
It means field procedure programs can't run SQL statements. It also
means field procedure programs can't call other commands or programs
that run SQL statements. This even applies to calling IBM commands and
be a service program."
IBM's V7R3 SQL Reference manual page 1175, for the CREATE TABLE
statements for the FIELDPROC attribute says "Designates an
external-program-name as the field procedure exit routine for the
column. It must be an ILE program that does not contain SQL. It cannot
applied,
I tried to make a field procedure program that would largely
self-deploy, where it would create a key store file (via IBM's API),
and generate / populate it with an encryption key, but calling the API
to create a key store file would not run. When I looked into why, it
was because IBM's API to create a key store file runs SQL, and I found
documentation that you can't do that.
I don't know why it is like that, just that it is.
Perhaps using an Open Access handler is a workaround, I don't know.
Those were my findings at the V7R3 level. I've not tried it on V7R4.
Mike
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 9:39 PM Vernon Hamberg
<vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Mike - I'm not sure exactly what your statement means. If you mean
that the programs themselves can't have embedded SQL, that's
something I don't know.
Now what I do know is that if a key field has a FIELDPROC added to
it, that the resulting order in RPG is probably incorrect. I wrote an
Open Access handler to turn all DISK IO in RPG into SQL statements -
only change in the RPG is to add the handler to the F-spec. I wrote
this for Townsend Security (this was publicly announced, so no
secrets being revealed here), I believe there is a relationship now
with Syncsort, if anyone has a need for this - I'm not working for
either company, so this is not a <verndor option>!!
Vern
On 3/23/2020 11:00 PM, Mike Jones wrote:
Nathanhandful
Field proc programs don't yet allow the use of any SQL. They also
don't yet support calling a program or command that directly or
indirectly runs SQL statements. Example: you can't call IBM's API
to create a key store file, from inside a field procedure program,
because that API runs SQL in its plumbing.
I've gotten all that encryption field procedure stuff to work well,
but i was a PITA getting it all to work. I utilized code from at
least a
of sample programs.encryption
- AES 256-bit encryption
- DEKs (data encryption keys) stored in key store files.
- Using KEKs (key encrypting keys) to encrypt the DEKs (data
keys), also stored in key store files.retrieved
- Using master keys to encrypt the key store files.
- Using tokens with the encryption APIs so the keys can't be
even under debug.
If you're trying to take a zoned decimal number, encrypt it, and
store it in the database, you need to store the result in:
- A CHAR or VARCHAR column with the FOR BIT DATA attribute
hexwhich uses CCSID 65535.types
- A BINARY column
- A VARBINARY column
- A BLOB column
- Or the DDS file defined equivalent of one of the above.
The encrypted data is a binary string that requires one of those
data
to store the results. Encrypted data doesn't conform to the set of
the moment).values that are allowable for storage in a zoned or packed decimalcolumn,
Get the IBM Redbook "IBM System i Security: Protecting i5/OS Datatalk
with Encryption". In the July 2008 version of that book, see
chapter 7 "Database Considerations", section 7.2, pages 78 and 79 in
particular,
about storage requirements of the encrypted data.COLUMN),
Another great PDF book is "Protecting IBM i data with encryption" by
Kent Milligan and Beth Hagemeister (March 2014). Read pages 31
through 33 for storage requirements.
When you apply the field procedure to a column (ALTER TABLE ALTER
it calls the field procedure to encrypt that column for ALL rows of
the table.
When you drop a field procedure from a column (ALTER TABLE ALTER
COLUMN), it calls the field procedure to decrypt that column for ALL
rows of the table.
I imagine a field procedure could be used for a non-encryption
purpose, although I've not tried that (no use case comes to mind at
problems.Assuming that is allowed, a field procedure that returns zoneddata
decimal
for storage in a zoned decimal column is fine to do, but not withencrypted
data.
HTH,
Mike
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:48 PM Vernon Hamberg
<vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
Nathan
Is the numeric column in question a key of the file? Are you using
native record-level access? If either, then RPG might give you
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You might try using SQL to process the file.
Vern
On 3/23/2020 3:26 PM, Nathan Hughes wrote:
First I want to apologize for my ignorance in RPGLE...we typically
resolution.use this programming language, but have to for FieldProc purposes.
I've researched this issue for a couple weeks now, and cannot find
a
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A ALIAS(EC_NUMBER)
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A ALIAS(EC_ALPHA)
************* End of data ****************************************
The program from the link above allows for several SQL types,
clob,
begin,
addingstudied and stepped through the program to see what it was doing,
and thought I had a good understanding of how it worked. I then
started
awhat appeared as necessary for the SQL_TYP_ZONED (488).
When I send the 'ALTER TABLE' command and set the FieldProc
program on
Anycolumn, the first call is to Register(function code: 8), the next
is Encode(function code: 0) to encode the values in said column.
I set a breakpoint at the end of the program, and evaluated theparameters when setting the FieldProc on a VARCHAR and ZONED
NUMERIC columns, and besides being different data types all appears
correct, but the ZONED NUMERIC column abruptly stops with the error
below after the register call.
Message ID . . . . . . : SQL0685data.
Date sent . . . . . . : 03/18/20 Time sent . . . . . . : 16:17:04
Message . . . . : Field procedure on column ECNUM has returned
invalid
Cause . . . . . : Field procedure on column ECNUM has returneddata.
invalid
Recovery . . . : Change the field procedure to return valid data.is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain
Thank you in advance for any help you can give on this.
Thanks,
Nathan Hughes
Software Developer
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