Re: George Farr declares featurespecificpricingonhorizonfor WDSC

[Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

:)...  somebody start using VARPG!!!   It works, and you deliver the 
finished product while the VB guys are still making their amendments to 
the design.

albartell wrote:
> > So can you blame me if I get a little miffed when I see someone write that
> IBM didn't deliver a thick client?
>
> I can see where you are coming from.  Thanks for clarifying.  I would also
> be miffed. 
>
> Aaron Bartell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wdsci-l-bounces+albartell=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces+albartell=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Booth
> Martin
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:46 PM
> To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] George Farr declares
> featurespecificpricingonhorizonfor WDSC
>
> I should have prefaced my remarks, both earlier and now, with this
> disclaimer:  I like VARPG from IBM.  I spent a few years learning how to use
> it and thinking in event-driven instead of cycle-driven design.  I spent a
> great deal  of my own time and energy on VARPG, and loved every bit of it.
> I installed several applications that, so far as I know, are still running.
> The users loved the interface, and mangers were getting information in ways
> they'd never seen it.
>
> *But* VARPG never gained traction.  Career wise my efforts were a 
> complete frustration and waste.   Great product, great solution, but 
> everyone wanted Java.  I could deliver a working application before Java
> designers even had their test bed completed, but so what.  They wanted Java.
>
> So can you blame me if I get a little miffed when I see someone write that
> IBM didn't deliver a thick client?
>
> Anyway,
>
> I am sure there are a lot of reasons that VARPG didn't gain traction but
> IBM's commitment to it isn't one of them.
>
> However, VARPG from IBM is native Windows, does run well, is easy to use for
> an RPG developer, and it is thick or thin client, depending upon how it is
> deployed.  It is not Java, it is not simulated Windows.
>
> Let me repeat:  VARPG is native Windows.
>
>
> The fact that the software runs a release or two behind is no real deal
> breaker for very many RPG developers, I am sure, as most developers do not
> get up to speed with new features for at least a year or so.
>
>
>
> albartell wrote:
> > Being that you know so much about me and what I will and wont use... 
> > :-)
> >
> > What exact IBM technology are you talking about?  
> >
> > I am guessing you mean VARPG, which I wouldn't count as 'native' 
> > because you essentially have RPG.NET (ASNA) as far as I can tell.  And 
> > if memory serves me right, VARPG doesn't keep up to date with the 
> > latest releases of the RPG complier which gives obvious indication of 
> > how IBM views the product.  I am sure there are a number of other 
> > drawbacks with VARPG just as there are with Webfacing (read Java).  I 
> > want to re-emphasize that if it isn't native it wont last.  Of course 
> > if we are running "thick client" something has to NOT be native, but 
> > that is where the smart client concept could come into play
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_client).
> > To expound on my dreams of RPG, this thick client capability would use 
> > the concept mentioned above (i.e. smart client) and would simply give 
> > the RPG programmer a set of UI components that are created and fully 
> > supported by the RPG compiler team.  There would of course be a new 
> > version of DSPF DDS that looks nothing like it's fore fathers (more so 
> > for broad programmer acceptance - which would mean free form would be 
> > essential, or rather anything non-cryptic).
> >
> > Aaron Bartell
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Booth Martin
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:32 PM
> > To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> > Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] George Farr declares 
> > featurespecificpricingonhorizonfor WDSC
> >
> > You already have the thick client solution, and have for over 10 years. 
> >   Its RPG, its easy to migrate your applications, and it uses your 
> > existing data and skill sets.
> >
> > But you won't use it.
> >
> > albartell wrote:
> > ...
> > > Imagine having a RPG native way to create browser and thick client 
> > > apps from the iSeries!  The probability of this happening 'natively'
> > > is less the more I hear George talk though.  ...
> > --
> > ---------------------------------
> > Booth Martin
> > http://www.Martinvt.com
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